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Sibling chances in an out of catchment school

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Coi123 · 06/08/2023 10:23

Hi everyone,

I wrote a thread on here last year about my son being allocated a school quite far from our home. My house basically doesn’t have a school catchment as we are a bit out in the sticks but we pass two other primary schools to get to the school we were given and I couldn’t understand why we wasn’t give the nearest to us. I got some brilliant advice (which I followed) and didn’t bother with an appeal, accepted the place and I’m so glad I did as my son is really happy there. It’s a bit of a logistical nightmare getting him to breakfast club and myself to work (dh leaves the house at 6am) but it works. My daughter will be applying for her school place in January. I want her to go to the same school, but I’m worried about her chances as she will be out of catchment. Would anybody be able to give me their thoughts on this? The school is big, 3 form entry so 90 places and two sites, infants and juniors (about 5 mins walk between them). However, it is in a large village (with new houses currently being built next door to the school which worries me).

This is taken from their admissions policy…

The number of places available for admission to the Reception class will be a maximum of 90.
Where there are more applicants than available places, the distance tie break measures from home address to the nearest of the two school sites.
The governing body will not place any restrictions on admissions to the reception class unless the number of children for whom admission is sought exceeds their admission number. By law, no infant class may contain more than thirty children. The Governing Body operates a system of equal preferences under which they consider all preferences equally and the Local Authority notifies parents of the result. In the event that there are more applicants than places, after admitting all children with a statement of educational / Education Health and Care Plan need naming the school, the governing body will allocate places using the criteria below, which are listed in order of priority.

  1. (a) Children in public care and previously looked after children. (b) Children with special medical or social circumstances affecting the child where these needs can only be met at this school. Professional supporting evidence from a professional, e.g. a doctor, psychologist, social worker, is essential if admission is to be made under the criterion for special medical or social circumstances, and such evidence must set out the particular reasons why the school is question is the most suitable school and the difficulties which would be caused if the child had to attend another school.
  1. Children whose parents live within the ***** estate.
(a) Children who have a sibling attending the school on the date of application and on the date of admission. Siblings include step, half, foster, adopted brothers and sisters living at the same address. (b) Other children.
  1. Children whose parents live outside the *** estate
(a) Children who have a sibling attending the school on the date of application and on the date of admission. Siblings include step, half, foster, adopted brothers and sisters living at the same address. (b) Other children.

Tie break
Where there are more applicants for the available places within a category, then the distance between the Ordnance Survey address points for the school and the home measured in a straight line will be used as the final determining factor, nearer addresses having priority over more distant ones. This address point is within the body of the property and usually located at its centre. Where the cut off point is for addresses within the same building, then the single measure between address points will apply and the Local Authority's system of a random draw will determine which address(es) receive the offer(s).

Admissions information:
In 2021 there were 142 applications for 90 places. In 2022 there were 145 applications for 90 places. In 2023 there were 157 applications for 90 places.

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TizerorFizz · 08/08/2023 23:19

@Coi123 The LA can review catchment areas. It can also flag up to schools that they need to look at admissions criteria and work with schools to avoid black holes. I don’t know of black holes where I live. Every post code gets a catchment school. There are a few where catchments do not work at the extremities, but other schools are available. However every attempt is made to ensure every child can get into a local school. I think I would speak to your local councillor about your dilemma. They should review catchments in my view.

Coi123 · 09/08/2023 05:55

I will definitely look into that, we have a local councillor who seems to be quite ‘on the ball’ so thank you for that suggestion @TizerorFizz

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iwasthewalrus · 10/08/2023 08:04

@Coi123 he may not have had the information to hand but it will exist. I’d FOI them for it.

RafaistheKingofClay · 10/08/2023 08:27

It will exist. The other thing that they should be able to give you is the category that the last child was admitted under in the last few years. If it’s 3b you should be ok.

Not being able to count siblings as in catchment because the school was put down as a preference when you put your closest schools as 1 and 2 is a shit policy. Fair enough if it’s put as number 1, but it does leave parents slightly better off just putting down their closest school and then letting the la allocate the closest with spaces if they want subsequent children in the same school.

PanelChair · 10/08/2023 08:46

I’m not sure it is a shit policy, as you say. It boosts the chances of local children getting into their nearest school. No system is perfect.

RafaistheKingofClay · 10/08/2023 08:58

But it does leave the OP with a potential issue through no fault of her own but because of the system. I don’t think it should apply to everyone. But if you put your local or catchment school as 1st choice and can’t be allocated it due to oversubscription then I think it ought to follow that subsequent siblings are counted as in catchment.

PanelChair · 10/08/2023 09:16

Yes, there’s a potential issue, but (for now at least) it’s quite a remote possibility.

Treating siblings as if in catchment, when they’re not, undermines whatever rationale LEAs have for differentiating between siblings in and out of catchment. Not all LEAs with catchment-based admissions make this distinction, so I presume that those that do, do so because there have been problems with children living near the school being squeezed out by siblings living miles away. As I said, no system is perfect.

TizerorFizz · 10/08/2023 11:50

There is a moral difference between having no catchment school and therefore entering a lottery you don’t want to enter and choosing a non catchment school. The latter is deciding you don’t want your catchment school and are gambling with siblings. The former is not your fault but of course makes it very annoying for parents who are nearer but their Dc don’t get a place due to sibling policy. I do think being forced to take a school you didn’t want due to catchment area mismanagement is a matter for the council members. They should require overlapping catchments where these issues occur.

user149799568 · 10/08/2023 13:27

TizerorFizz · 10/08/2023 11:50

There is a moral difference between having no catchment school and therefore entering a lottery you don’t want to enter and choosing a non catchment school. The latter is deciding you don’t want your catchment school and are gambling with siblings. The former is not your fault but of course makes it very annoying for parents who are nearer but their Dc don’t get a place due to sibling policy. I do think being forced to take a school you didn’t want due to catchment area mismanagement is a matter for the council members. They should require overlapping catchments where these issues occur.

I don't know if this describes OP's situation but, what if a parent puts their catchment school first for DC1, a non-catchment school second, but is allocated the second school? In what sense would this be the parent's fault? I'm afraid that I don't see the difference between this situation and one where the child is allocated a non-catchment school which wasn't on their list at all. Either way, the parent "didn't want to enter the lottery".

Or did I misunderstand your point?

TizerorFizz · 10/08/2023 13:56

@user149799568 Im saying that’s not the parents fault. They wanted catchment but catchment filled up from other categories and distance. They were allocated elsewhere.

However if you choose non catchment because you don’t like your catchment school, you have entered a lottery for siblings unless the sibling policy is generous and keeps out children who live nearer because they favour all siblings. The difference is allocation by LA and personal choice. Allocated Dc should have a different policy for siblings - I think.

user149799568 · 10/08/2023 14:30

@TizerorFizz thank you for the clarification. The several posts previous to the one of yours that I quoted seem to indicate that, for some councils, putting a non-catchment school after your catchment school is treated as "choosing" the non-catchment school.

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