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How common is it to be at Greater Depth throughout primary school?

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drinkingbeer · 27/02/2023 20:41

Friend has 3 kids in Y7, 6 and 3. She says they've all been getting Greater Depth in all subjects throughout their primary years. How common is this? My daughter in Y3 is bright and got a Greater depth in one area but expected on others. I know it's totally not appropriate to compare kids, but what's the reality like? Has anyone's kids got GD across the board for every single report?

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Newmumatlast · 27/02/2023 20:42

Have never heard of greater depth - what does it mean?

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drinkingbeer · 27/02/2023 20:45

They may also call it "exceeding age-related expectations"

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CarpingOnwards · 27/02/2023 20:45

Isn't it approx top 10-15%?? So common enough i would think.

MomFromSE · 27/02/2023 20:46

Well, if you look at the national statistics just over 10% of children most years achieve greater depth across the board in reading writing and math in year 6 SATs. In 2019 it was about 13%.

So that's a pretty good indication of the proportion of students at that level- her kids would be top 10% or so of the academic ability range.

MomFromSE · 27/02/2023 20:47

@CarpingOnwards Yes, it is exactly. x-post.

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drinkingbeer · 27/02/2023 20:50

Thank you all. I guess I've not been aware of those who are top 10% in all subjects (I'm from a relatively deprived area), but looks like it's not that uncommon.

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MithrilCostsMore · 27/02/2023 20:52

My eldest daughter was in every subject every year. There were at least six of them the same in her class.

QuillBill · 27/02/2023 20:59

It will be completely normal for some children. She might not even know it's the top fifteen percent if all of her children are achieving GD in all areas.

SnowAndFrostOutside · 27/02/2023 21:03

DC2 is GD in all subjects, but DC1 isn’t. I don’t think DC2 is smarter though. She’s harder working and will do her homework without being asked. DC1 is lazier and will lie about having done her work and also will put in minimal effort for everything.

Jules912 · 27/02/2023 21:27

What do they call all subjects, my DS has always been greater depth in English, Maths, Science and a few others but expected in the rest and sometimes below in PE.
If they only count SATs subjects I can see how that could come out as all greater depth.

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drinkingbeer · 27/02/2023 21:30

Jules912 · 27/02/2023 21:27

So I think mostly the SATs subjects but once or twice a year they also grade them on history, science, geography, DT, art (and possibly PE)

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CarpingOnwards · 27/02/2023 21:40

If you're wondering if she's lying... So knows but it's certainly feasible.

If you're worrying about your kids..... Don't. It's all teacher assessed and pretty meaningless.

dootball · 27/02/2023 21:50

I think there is some misleading percentages here though. It may be top 10/15% in each subject - however there will be plenty of students who get it in 1 / some subjects and not in all - so the real figure would be much less than 10%.

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drinkingbeer · 27/02/2023 21:50

CarpingOnwards · 27/02/2023 21:40

If you're wondering if she's lying... So knows but it's certainly feasible.

If you're worrying about your kids..... Don't. It's all teacher assessed and pretty meaningless.

A bit of both really. I'd just never heard of anyone say that before. My child is happy and in my opinion that's much more important than a high achiever who might not be so happy at school.

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Tallulasdancingshoes · 27/02/2023 21:53

Mine are year 5 and year 2 and both have always been greater depth across the board. They are clever but not geniuses. I would think there’s probably a few in every class.

CarpingOnwards · 27/02/2023 22:10

Yes of course the % getting gd across the board is less than 15% @dootball but they're not independent probabilities.

Let's say a child with GD in one subject is at least "more likely than a random student" to get GD in another....

It'll put the % of "all GD" roundabout the 2-6% bracket, i.e. one per class.

But then take into account that children within a family do more similarly on average than children from different families....

Main point is still @drinkingbeer's..... If they're happy, who cares anyway.

ScreamingTree · 27/02/2023 22:11

My DS has always been greater depth in every subject. We do very little homework, have never had tutoring etc. All his teachers have said he's gifted.

RudsyFarmer · 27/02/2023 22:16

My two have achieved greater depth in 3/4 subjects for the last few years. Not every subject - I suspect that is unusual
snd that might be where your friend is exaggerating.

gogohmm · 27/02/2023 22:16

It wasn't called that when dd was at school, but she was classified as gifted in all subjects except pe and art, she takes after her mother I'm so bad at art!

converseandjeans · 27/02/2023 22:20

I would imagine if parents are intelligent then it's possible all the kids would be of similar level. If you have one parent more academic than the other then sometimes there's a difference between siblings.

However I don't think it's something I would chat about to friends. I've no idea how the children of classmates got on in SATs for example.

I wouldn't worry tbh - DD was always above expected in most subjects but is introverted & finds some things a challenge that for other children would be easy. DS didn't do amazingly at primary but has gone into decent groups at secondary & also navigates social situations better than DD. They all find their way.

Aurorabored · 27/02/2023 22:26

It’s pretty common for bright DC to excel across the board, especially at primary school. Work at that level is about maths and english skills, even when you call it science, geography or history.

Itstarts · 27/02/2023 22:34

CarpingOnwards · 27/02/2023 21:40

If you're wondering if she's lying... So knows but it's certainly feasible.

If you're worrying about your kids..... Don't. It's all teacher assessed and pretty meaningless.

Meaningless?

RedDay · 27/02/2023 22:39

My dd is now just starting GCSEs but at primary there were 5 kids who were achieving greater depth across the board. Those 5 are now in top sets at secondary and predicted 7 or above at GCSEs in all subjects, mostly 8s and 9s

CarpingOnwards · 27/02/2023 22:48

@Itstarts what meaning are you putting on it?

Government makes up some random criteria and teacher ticks one of the boxes next to it.

Itstarts · 27/02/2023 22:53

it's all teacher assessed and pretty meaningless

Your meaning was clear.

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