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Highgate for a bright sensitive child

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Leapfrog1980 · 06/11/2022 05:06

Would love to hear from anyone in Highgate at the moment about how the school experience might be for an extremely bright and sensitive child. Sitting 7+, but also currently at a small nurturing school and very happy there, so really only sitting a) because Highgate seems like such an amazing school from what we’ve seen b) to avoid the pressure of the 11+, and ‘losing’ a year studying for it. Any thoughts? How large will the year 3 group be? Does the school support different kinds of children, or does it privilege the sporty/ confident/ alpha children like some other local independents? TIA for any help help with this.

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catlike1979 · 07/11/2022 13:49

Bumping for you OP as I'd be interested in any comments on this!

Dido2010 · 08/11/2022 15:09

@Leapfrog1980, For a boy or for a girl?

And which other schools have you visited or considered?

hampsteadmum · 08/11/2022 23:14

There's a mixture of kids. Confident and sporty and sensitive and quieter. About 20 kids per class in Y3. The kids that get in at 7+ are (and are expected to be) at a much higher academic level than the kids already in school. They spend Y3 catching up everyone and bringing to the same level. Just like in every school with a 7+ entry where there is already a cohort from Reception.

Leapfrog1980 · 09/11/2022 08:42

@Dido2010 It’s for a boy. We’d be moving into London if he got in. We’ve looked around at some other NW london schools, which is the area we’d prefer in London, but none of the others seem quite as good. And I’ve heard some stories about kids being ‘managed out’ for various reasons, which I find just unethical So really it’s just Highgate that’s interesting to us. King Alfred’s seemed a bit wild, even though the underlying ethos is good, and we’re not interested in a prep school. So options are limited. I also like Latymer, but would rather not be west (due to transport links back to my family.)

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Leapfrog1980 · 09/11/2022 08:43

Thank you @hampsteadmum that’s really helpful. What are the school hours in Y3? Do you happen to know?

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Dido2010 · 10/11/2022 10:20

Hello @Leapfrog1980 ! I am assuming you will not want to move schools after Year 3 and will want to see things through right up to Year 13 at Highgate.

In general, I’m afraid a school exists for its own purposes. Parents and children are there only to make the school look good. The more ‘elite’ the school, the stronger this imperative. As a consequence, schools ‘manage out’ some kids. A ghastly practice, I agree, but all too common. To put it pragmatically, a school has its teaching, behaviour and care model, all within its overall financial budget. If a student needs 'too much' teacher time, if someone’s behaviour is ‘too different’, if a child needs 'too much more' or distinctive nurture, too bad. So, at any school, in the long term all we can do ultimately is trust in the strength of the values, nurture and self-esteem we develop at home.

Notwithstanding that, Highgate has revamped itself overall in recent years, partly through the introduction of girls in all years. From Year 7, it is now the premier destination as a strong, all-round, co-ed school. We know families with boys and girls there and they have been happy with Highgate.

Travel is always awkward in most parts of London and, at the time, was a major criterion for us, too. But I would look at UCS, at least as a back-up. Planning up to Year 13, could you make the travel work?

hampsteadmum · 10/11/2022 13:27

@Leapfrog1980 Y3 finishes at 3:45, but as in all schools there are optional clubs afterwards. Drop off and pick up times are staggered according to year group. It is a gentle school academically, but entrance exams are very competitive as it is the only independent co-ed "through" school in the area and popular with many.

passport123 · 10/11/2022 17:06

125 per year over 5 classes in junior

Leapfrog1980 · 11/11/2022 10:28

@Dido2010 thank you so much for your reply. Yes if we got in to a NW London school, we’d move into the area, so the commute wouldn’t be an issue.
Very thought provoking message. It’s interesting isn’t it? My perspective is that the reason you’d be paying all this money (in addition to things like the extra curriculars) is to have classes small enough to be able to treat each child as an individual and to support and accommodate them (obviously with in reason - if a child was seriously unhappy in the environment, or a danger to themselves or others. But beyond that I can’t see a reason for ‘managing out’.) I hear UCS isn’t great for this. It’s a ‘buyer beware’ situation, because at 4 or 7 you have absolutely no idea what support your child might need down the road. And to be honest that puts me off, both from an ethical standpoint and also just practically.

Latymer and Highgate have a reputation for being much better pastorally. So I’d be much more inclined to accept one of those.

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Leapfrog1980 · 11/11/2022 10:28

@passport123 thank you that’s what I thought.

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passport123 · 11/11/2022 10:53

Leapfrog1980 · 11/11/2022 10:28

@Dido2010 thank you so much for your reply. Yes if we got in to a NW London school, we’d move into the area, so the commute wouldn’t be an issue.
Very thought provoking message. It’s interesting isn’t it? My perspective is that the reason you’d be paying all this money (in addition to things like the extra curriculars) is to have classes small enough to be able to treat each child as an individual and to support and accommodate them (obviously with in reason - if a child was seriously unhappy in the environment, or a danger to themselves or others. But beyond that I can’t see a reason for ‘managing out’.) I hear UCS isn’t great for this. It’s a ‘buyer beware’ situation, because at 4 or 7 you have absolutely no idea what support your child might need down the road. And to be honest that puts me off, both from an ethical standpoint and also just practically.

Latymer and Highgate have a reputation for being much better pastorally. So I’d be much more inclined to accept one of those.

Very unusual for a child to leave UCS at the end of the junior. Generally only happens because of relocation, or the occasional one who moves to Westminster/City/St Paul's -there are always a few who do the 11+ for this trio of schools. They are very supportive of shy kids and also of dyslexia, ADHD etc.

Leapfrog1980 · 11/11/2022 11:05

@passport123 that’s interesting, as I’ve heard differently recently- both as regards to admissions in the pre prep and junior school, and also in the school itself (il talking from 4-18 here, so we may of course have information from different stages of the school). But I hope I’m wrong. I always liked UCS in principle (also because we don’t love the idea of religion in school and it’s one of the few truly non denominational schools.)

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passport123 · 11/11/2022 11:17

Leapfrog1980 · 11/11/2022 11:05

@passport123 that’s interesting, as I’ve heard differently recently- both as regards to admissions in the pre prep and junior school, and also in the school itself (il talking from 4-18 here, so we may of course have information from different stages of the school). But I hope I’m wrong. I always liked UCS in principle (also because we don’t love the idea of religion in school and it’s one of the few truly non denominational schools.)

the move at 7 has changed - they now take everyone from the pre-prep and all siblings, unless there's a good reason not to take an individual child/they think they won't cope etc. Similarly they all go straight through from Y6. They do the 11+ in January but it isn't for a place.

passport123 · 11/11/2022 11:18

the competitive entry points are coming in from outside at 4, 7 and 11, not moving up through the foundation

Ifailed · 11/11/2022 11:26

I can’t see a reason for ‘managing out’

Really, isn't that one of the main things you are paying for, the school to remove those that don't conform to it's expectations and required behaviour? Otherwise you may as well sent them to the local state school and have them mix with everyone.

Leapfrog1980 · 11/11/2022 12:08

@Ifailed Absolutely not. In the slightest. I’m paying for amazing facilities, extra curricular activities and small class sizes.

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Leapfrog1980 · 11/11/2022 12:13

@Ifailed and also great pastoral care in an environment which is small enough to know each child and differentiate. Ditto for academic stretch. Hard to find in your average under supported state school, sadly.

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Chomolungma · 11/11/2022 12:18

Surely the main reason to 'manage out' is usually related to exam results rather than behaviour? They don't want someone with lower predicted grades messing up their stats?

Leapfrog1980 · 11/11/2022 12:31

Sorry I didn’t want to get into the whole managing out thing- that’s a whole different thread! @passport123 Again sorry I should have made it clear I’m not interested in UCS, even as a back up option… Thank you very much for your input though.
And thank you so much all for the information about Highgate. Very much appreciated everyone. Apologies I’m going to carry on with my work day. Extremely grateful for all the replies. Thanks!

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hampsteadmum · 11/11/2022 14:31

It's rare that kids are managed out for academic reasons at Highgate and UCS. Occasionally for behaviour perhaps. Also some of the kids that get in at 4+ may not develop as expected and a discussion may be had at 10/15. I personally don't know anyone being managed out at UCS or Highgate. It happens more often (but again relatively rarely) at more academic schools like as Habs, NLCS, SPS, WUS etc.

Mamaof2London · 28/12/2022 18:49

Hi there, I would be so grateful for some 7+ advice for my DD who is bright, sparky and playful. She’s not the loudest, is not one for attention but has internal confidence and happy to speak when needs to. We are looking at Co-Ed independent schools for her as we feel it’s best suited for her. She’s currently just sat for Highgate 7+ and got through to the interview/group assessment. Can anyone share their views on the school from personal experience? She currently attends a nurturing small pre prep, and only moving at this stage to save the 11+ anxiety. She loves arts, music and is very good at math. A few concerns I have about Highgate is the amount of wealthy individuals and its impact on children who come from two hard working parents saving hard to send their kids there. Mental health and how children do - in some schools I hear of students approaching GCSEs with burnout having been pushed too much from an early age. Also the treatment of girls and take up of STEM. Another concern which I suspect is a problem everywhere is drugs. I never came across this issue (in my state school experience). DH did in his independent school and tells me it’s a problem everywhere. I really apologise for my overly long post (my first one too). Your insights Will be much appreciated, and please be kind :-). Thank you again.

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