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I need to understand if I am too relaxed or teacher too strict

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nothappymum · 28/01/2008 17:48

DS started school last September and he's not happy at all. Still cries in the mornings saying he doesn't want to go because he hates school.
His teacher said that he's very behind the others and is extremely slow. Also, he won't say a word or participate in class.

However, at home he will very happily tell me everything he's learnt during the day and remembers all his letters and can recognize them.
He can change himself into PE kit, but takes ages to get back into uniform. He's speach is extremely good for his age, however his teacher says that he doesn't say a word during class time.
Friends and family are quite shocked by this comment as he's extremely confident and chatty when in familiar surrounding.

He is not disruptive, but he has selective hearing sometimes and we need to bribe him to do things.

I told the teacher that we should wait until spring/summer before worrying too much about he dressing skills/writing abilities and we should now concentrated on his settling in and gaining confidence to make friends, but she made it clear that if he doesn't get to grips with writing his name or getting changed on his own by end of this term, she will be very worried.

I asked to assist once in the classroom to see how he behaves, but she refused, saying it would be worse for me to do to.

I am just wondering if I am too relaxed and should start drumming things into him, however the times I have tried I normally get the opposite effect as he refuses to do things.

I don't want to put him off school for life - so for me is very important he gets a good start - he was so keen on starting big school, but now he's so upset to go and I don't know what's the best thing to do.
Any advice out there?

By the way- he's a July baby so not even 4.5 now.

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NKF · 29/01/2008 13:11

Reception class teachers rarely ask for much but being able to dress and undress themselves in a reasonable time is one of them. The others are wiping own bottom and sitting on a mat. Make sure his clothes are dead easy to take on and off and I'm sure he'll be fine. His chatting in class will come.

NKF · 29/01/2008 13:16

Is he picking up on your distress though? Why does he hate school? It could be a mixture of impatient teacher and relaxed mother. Or it might be he is in a class of very advanced children and looks slow by comparison. I'd say you need to talk to her, get her on your side and really try to get to the root of the problem.

I wouldn't 100% believe his desciption of his conversations with the teacher. At that age, they're not great at relaying incidents.

Berrie · 29/01/2008 13:30

Is the teacher quite young and inexperienced?

EachPeachPearMum · 29/01/2008 13:38

I would be concerned about children with needs all being placed on the same table- surely they would do better placed on tables with the advanced talkers/communicators to help them mirror?

that he is so little to have this much pressure and need to conform.

nothappymum · 29/01/2008 16:31

I don't know why he hates school, that is why I am worrying now.

I am concerned by the teacher's attitude.

What was supposed to be a chat about how he was settling in and about my concerns about him so unhappy with school resulted in the teacher defending herself I believe and giving all of the blame to DS.

I cannot think of any other reason for her being so negative about DS.

I am trying to understand what it is...I also mentioned to her that we are relatevely new to the area and ds didn't know any of the children when he started in September and maybe feels a bit threatened by the whole new school setting/new children/new rules.
Most of the children in his class have known each other through playgroups/older siblings/nursery and he feels a bit left out I think.

But she brushed this off saying that after 4 months he should have made friends and if he hasn't there must be something wrong with him....

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wannaBe · 29/01/2008 16:57

In your op you said ?I am just wondering if I am too relaxed and should start drumming things into him, however the times I have tried I normally get the opposite effect as he refuses to do things.?. It sounds as if he doesn?t like to be told what to do and when to do it, and perhaps this is a large part of the problem? Fact is, children do need to learn to follow instructions, and this is even more important in school, because if you had a class of 30 children who all refused to do as they were asked/told the children would never learn anything and the classroom would just be chaos.

Wrt him being moved down to the children with learning difficulties, who was it that told you he?s been put with the children with learning difficulties? Because if a teacher has told you that then she needs to justify it, but if he has told you that where has he got the idea from that the other children in his group have learning difficulties?

In my ds? school the children are divided into groups, partly based on their ability, there is one group where there are all very bright children, and one group that has children who find it much harder to concentrate/grasp things/communicate and some who have very little attention span, I would never describe any of them as having learning difficulties, but some definitely need more help than the children who are considered to be very bright. I help out in class once a week, I have worked with both groups, and the difference between them is striking.

The reason why the children are divided up like this is so that the children who find it harder, either on a social/emotional or an academic level can get more individual support and are not left feeling inadequate by the children who find it easier, and also so that the children who do find it easy to learn are able to do that at their own pace as well. You?ll find that they probably do do lots of carpet time and obviously at play times the children will all play together.

I think most children do go through a hating school phase. It?s a big change from being at home with mummy or going to preschool to suddenly going into school full-time with 30 other children and only two adults thus meaning that you don?t get the one-to-one attention you?ve been used to in the past, but if he?s coming home full of what he?s learned at school then I?d imagine he doesn?t actually hate school that much but that he?s maybe frustrated/lacking in confidence and that when he?s said he hates school this has provoked a reaction from you so he will continue to say that he hates it, iyswim?

How has your ds been at making friends in the past? Not having made any friends in 4 months would concern me, as children at that age tend to make friends very easily, and children are often eager to make friends with newer children on the block, example of this being that when a new child started in ds? class two weeks ago, two boys were arguing over who got to sit next to him, and there were cries of ?but I had him first!? .

It really is possible for a child to behave one way in school and one way at home, I have seen this for myself with children who do not communicate at all in class, and who are totally different children when I?ve seen them out in the street/the shops.

I would arrange a meeting with the teacher, and get your dh/dp to go along as well. And I would try to get her on side, be open to what she has to say rather than being defensive about it. She will most likely genuinely have your ds? best interests at heart, and if he is really struggling she will need your support to be able to help him. But if you are both pulling in opposite directions you?re not going to get anywhere, and your ds is going to continue to find it difficult.

And if he is struggling it?s not a criticism, or a failing, some children just find certain things harder than other children, but invariably they all catch up, some just need a little more support than others.

Good luck x

Nessamommy · 29/01/2008 17:07

Take it from a teacher...this teacher does not have children at the center of what she is doing. Your child sounds very normal to me. The fact that she only has negative comments about your child should show a lot! Surely, there are positive things he is doing...there is ALWAYS positive things.

nothappymum · 29/01/2008 17:39

Wannabe - please read all my posts.
DS is being currently trained by me, but he's losing heart.

Also - he didn't say he was on lower table- only commented on being bored on being at different table.

I am trying to go into teacher direction, but she seems convinced something is wrong with ds....that she won't listen to me.

Also, ds is very slow at making friends, but then they are friends for ever.... we can't all be jack the lad....

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Corriewatcher · 29/01/2008 20:25

Nothappymum I really feel for you. My DD started school in Sept too. She's fine and chatty in her home environment, but rather shy and sensitive when she is in an unfamiliar one. Unfortunately, she didn't know any of the children in her class, as all the others from her nursery were born before Xmas or after Easter. She didn't speak at all at first, not even answering the register, and she didn't want to go into the school building.
Fortunately she was taking everything in, so her reading and writing were fine, but her teacher did say at the parents' evening that when they came to assess them later in the year, that she might not do well on the social side.

I found this pretty harsh given that she was only 4. I also think your DS's teacher is being particularly harsh.
But one thing DD's teacher did suggest was lots of playdates. I've had quite a few children back now, and DD's been invited back in return. She's a January birthday, so I arranged a party and invited the whole class. That really helped - and she has now got several invites to other parties in return. Her teacher tells me that she does now speak to the other children in class, and DD herself speaks of one or two of the children as being her friends.
I've also got her to answer the register and to go into school without a fuss - albeit by bribing her initially with promise of going swimming/going on day-trip/inviting other friends to tea etc. Not all parents might agree with that tactic, and I too think it depends on the child. But I do also think that if DD could change her behaviour so relatively easily, then she's unlikely to suffer any long-term psychological damage. I too refused to speak at school for several months when we moved to a new area when I was about 6. What made me speak was when some school inspectors visited the school and one of the teachers told them in front of me not to worry about me cos I was dumb . In comparison, mild bribery seems pretty harmless!
One other thing DD's teacher did mention at the parents' evening last term was that the school occasionally ran special sessions for very quiet children in small groups to help them come out of themselves a bit. Maybe worth suggesting to your school?
Best of luck

ivykaty44 · 29/01/2008 20:40

I wonder if the teacher "scarry lady" is the problem.

I wouldn't give a flying f*ck whether the teacher is worryed about what he can do he is still a really little child and his happeness is far more important.

I have found through school that my dd1 refused to work point blank for one teacher (inbetween years 1 & 3 very lovely teachers) in year 2 - the teacher was very negative about my dd and had nothing positive to say about her.

It had seemed she went from being a delightful child in year 2 to a horrid child in year 2 back to a lovely child in year 3.

Turned out looking back that it was actually the teacher (my dd1 has now said she is 15 and the teacher hated her) not the child.

Perhaps going to the school and asking why the teacher is so negative and why she has nothing positive to say and what has she tried to do to encourage your ds to join in and participate in the class.

Please don't worry it will work out

nothappymum · 30/01/2008 14:38

Thanks Corriewatcher - it's good to know that it can be a passing phase.

I work, so unfortunately playdates are not easy for me to organize. I will try to do it during the half term when I am not working.

The funny thing is that DS plays and talks with the other children in class quite confidently - so the teacher says - but hasn't got a best friend yet. That's what takes him time - to forge best friendship if you know what I mean.

He says that all children have already a best friend and he gets excluded when in the garden/lunch time because the friend he's been playing with beforehand than prefers to go and play with their "best friend". This is of course his part of the story...and he's also quite upset by this.

At week ends we always meet his old friends from nursery and he looks so happy and he's my old boy again.

I do believe that he needs to toughen up and be less sensitive but then he's my baby and I feel for him.

I will talk to the teacher again so that we get a plan to work on together as I like the school and want this to workout.

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Sparks · 30/01/2008 15:13

If your DS is fine at home, but finding things difficult at school, surely it's up to the school to come up with solutions.

If it were my child and the teacher told me ds needs to be able to write his name and get changed on his own by end of this term, I would say "what steps are you taking to help ds achieve that?" It's her job, she is in school with him all day.

Yes of course, you need to work together with the school. Good idea to talk to the teacher and come up with a plan, but I would want to make sure the plan includes some positive actions on her part.

HonoriaGlossop · 30/01/2008 15:53

the teacher is being totally odd and silly. If a four year old who is hesitant to talk in the classroom starts to talk to you then you celebrate that and keep on engaging him about it, at FOUR it hardly matters if it's 'about the lesson' it's hardly going to muck up his GCSE's if they dare to stray from a lesson topic at 4............

She sounds very negative. Your son sounds as if he is doing very, very well and he I'm sure just needs a positive, kind teacher. If this were me I would ask to meet with the teacher to bring this negativity to the fore and to ask what positive steps they can put in place to help him enjoy coming to school!

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