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7 year old DS very unhappy at school

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Nymphadora83 · 05/10/2022 05:12

I have a 7 year old DS who is currently in Year 3. He attends the local state primary school. There have been some issues occurring since he was in Y2 last year, but things seem to have taken a quick downward curve since the start of Y3. The story of school so far has been that he is doing quite well academically, but really struggling socially. DS has said that no one at school likes him. I’ve asked him who he means exactly, and he said none of the boys in his class like him, and the teacher doesn’t seem to like him very much. A few examples are that he has told me that during lunchtime when he goes to sit down next to a group of the boys from his class, they don’t seem to want him there. He will sit down and try to join in with whatever they are talking about, but he gets ignored or told to shut up. He has said this has happened a few times. There have been a couple of other incidents which have upset him at school. One of the boys in his class (not the same one who told him to shut up) hid DS’s pencil case under one of the radiators in the classroom. This led to DS becoming very upset. The teacher found it, but apparently didn’t bother trying to find out who had hidden it. The boy who hid it from DS admitted it was him and then laughed at DS. There have also been a couple of incidents where he has been told off for talking in class. I asked him about this, and he said the same boy who hid his pencil case was calling him a sissy. DS got in trouble, but the boy who started it was essentially given a free pass. I am getting the sense that this other boy might be one of the teacher’s favourites in the class. I know they are supposed to be impartial, but in reality I imagine every teacher in the country has kids in their class who they like or don’t like. I am sure a blind eye is turned if one of their favourites does something naughty, but if it’s a child they don’t like, then they won’t let them off the hook with the slightest thing. This has all happened in barely a month since the start of Y3. Since all of this has been happening, when I pick DS up from school, he is nearly always miserable when he walks out from the school doors. He looks at the ground and says he just wants to go home. Most of the other kids seem buoyant and happy when they exit school at the end of the day from what I have seen, but DS isn’t.

There are a few other things I would like to mention. DS is currently an only child. He doesn’t seem to enjoy being among groups of other kids very much, and I have heard that this is more common in only children. He doesn’t have many friends away from school. I’ve tried to make friends with the other mums at the school, but I can’t force their DCs to like DS. The situation is causing some friction between myself and my DP (DS’s father). I have been talking about withdrawing him or trying to move him to another school. DP is saying running away isn’t the answer and that DS “just needs to be less sensitive”. I know that as a parent I am not supposed to be trying to wrap him in cotton wool, and that he needs to be able to cope with adversity. I am weighing those concerns against the fact that he is clearly not happy at school, and the situation seems to be getting worse. It’s making me stressed and I’m wondering what the next incident will be at school whenever DS goes in. I have friends and family with DCs in primary school and they all seem to be happy, thriving and enjoying school. I am not sure what to do. I have been looking up various conditions online but nothing seems to fit. He doesn’t have any behavioural or emotional issues at home. All the issues seem to start as soon as he steps through the school gates. I wanted to ask if anyone with DCs in primary school (or older kids who have already been in primary) has any thoughts about the situation.

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Pufferpuffin · 05/10/2022 05:26

That’s a tough situation for him. As you say you want them to come bouncing out of school a bit. Does this go back to reception and year one or it’s just year two and now three? If the latter it would suggest it’s more these boys who don’t seem to like him that’s making him sad. Have you tried play dates at yours with a couple of the nicer ones? And the old classic of letting him do extra curricular activities to help him build confidence and know children outside of the school bubble? Beavers/scouts always seem to be a good one although with the waiting lists for those! I would also contact the year head (bypass the teacher if you get the feeling she absolutely won’t help?) or head of the key stage to see what they suggest - is it as bad as bullying? Even if they can keep an eye out at lunch and in the playground.

Sindonym · 05/10/2022 05:42

Arrange to meet with the teacher and explain the difficulties with the one child and say you want to nip it in the bud before it gets worse. Ds2 had a horrendous time in year 5 because of one child - it can have a huge impact. In our case the primary school was not that helpful but I felt we needed to go to them.

what are the options for other friendships within the school? Ds2’s school was tiny which made it difficult to find another group to play with but I did encourage ds2 to find others.

It might be worth doing some out of school activities to develop other friendships so his confidence isn’t knocked?

I was an only child, not sure it makes much difference as to preference for groups or otherwise (a lot of nonsense gets days/written about only children). I was certainly more sociable as a child than my youngest who has 2 siblings!

ClocksGoingBackwards · 05/10/2022 05:59

. I am sure a blind eye is turned if one of their favourites does something naughty, but if it’s a child they don’t like, then they won’t let them off the hook with the slightest thing.

I lost the sympathy I had for you upon reading that this is your attitude. You might think you’re sure, but you’re wrong. If you genuinely believe that teachers just pick and choose what behaviour they will punish or ignore depending on how much they like the children involved, why would you even send your child to school to be looked after by these people?

The teacher is who you need to talk to, but it would probably be best not to let on that you think she’s completely unprofessional for no reason.

Oblomov22 · 05/10/2022 06:17

Ask teacher for a meeting. Basically tell her what you've said here. If I was a teacher I would be horrified because really she isn't taking very good care of his emotional needs. Is it a single form entry? Only 30 kids? Ask her to match ds with another one other child, preferably 2, to try and establish a friendship.

You should also consider him as a person. Why has he no friends outside of school? That is not good. He needs developing. Think about his personality and how you can make him more rounded.

Could you sign him up to Beavers/Cubs or judo. Have you not had post natal friends, did he not have friends at nursery that he joined school with?

focuspocus · 05/10/2022 06:52

Try to talk to the teacher in the first instance. Lay out everything you have here and take oblomovs advice. If it's more than one form entry they may be able to switch him over. Some kids would benefit from changing school. It's very hard to watch your kids be sad and be treated badly. I hope it all works out.

Ignore the pp who is offended with your comments about teachers. As with any profession you are going to get wonderful teachers, mediocre teachers, teachers who are bullies etc. My DD and DS have been very lucky at their school and have lovely teachers who would keep an eye on this kind of thing and try to help. They are able to tell us about the relationships our children have in school, the dynamics and their concerns (without us asking). I had a couple of lovely teachers I remember fondly more than 30 years later. They stood out all the more because of the awful ones. Teachers are removed from the profession and end up in court for more than unprofessionalism with the young children in their care.

Nymphadora83 · 05/10/2022 08:09

@ClocksGoingBackwards I must politely disagree. I send him to school because it's a statutory requirement. Home education isn't an option currently as I wouldn't know where to start with that. I feel extremely confident that most teachers have their favourites. I saw it myself on a regular basis when I was at school. I'm sorry that you don't feel any sympathy for me - that really is most unfortunate.

@Pufferpuffin I actually don't know who the head of KS2 is. It's not mentioned on the school website. DS doesnt know either. I forgot to mention, the school was rated as requiring improvement in the most recent Ofsted inspection last year. If we were in the catchment area of better state schools I would have sent him to one, but we aren't sadly. We couldn't really afford to send him to a private school, though I absolutely would without hesitation if finances permitted.

@Sindonym Those are good points. The school is an above-average sized primary school in NW England. The lack of success in friendships and problems fitting in are already affecting his confidence badly, which is worrying me a lot.

@Oblomov22 The class DS is in has 29 kids in. It's multiple classes in each year, so not single-form. I have suggested activities outside of school but he never wants to go. He seems to have a strong resistance to doing things for the first time. He is ok once he does something, but getting over the first hurdle seems to be harder for him than it should be.

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walkinpark · 06/10/2022 13:28

@Nymphadora83 oh no am sorry to hear this. the school...any school...has a duty of care and if you child is being 'bullied' or excluded, then the teacher must be told and kept in the loop. so at the very least, they have a chance to correct the issue and let you know how your DS is getting on. there is of course a period of adjustment and things may resolve by themselves but if your instincts are telling you something is 'off', then you must talk to the school. some kids are sensitive and they need more support. whoever the teacher's favourites or not, your child needs extra help to adjust. also talk to your DS and see if there is anyone in class he likes who you can organise a playdate with?

ThisShipIsSinking · 06/10/2022 13:47

He is probably a natural introvert and there's nothing wrong with that, most of the successful people in the world are this way, they faced similar problems at school and often went down an alternative route. School is an absolute nightmare for introverts they are made to feel failures, it is not the right enviroment for them. My youngest son developed mental health issues trying to fit in a box that wasn' t meant for him, he is now HS and thriving.

mondler · 09/10/2022 09:40

I'd be tempted to look at any other schools that are close by and ask if they have any spaces? No harm in looking at options. The grass isn't always greener but a fresh start might help. He just needs to find the right person /people. Stay strong as I know it's horrible when they are miserable.

ConnectedKids · 12/10/2022 14:04

Sometimes even a great school and wonderful teacher can struggle with a specific cohort of kids that don't gel well. I had a similar situation with my child and moved him to a new school when he was in yr 5. It was the best decision ever - he went from surviving to thriving and got a chance to start fresh and find/be himself.

Before doing that, I made sure I did a lot of watching and listening and also had lots of conversations with teachers, TAs and other parents to get a sense of which behaviours my own child might be displaying which might have played a part. When I realised that he just didn't 'fit' and that wasn't going to change with that particular cohort, we moved him and he was so much happier. Now he's in yr 9, straight A student with a few groups of good friends.
Live is never going to be easy or perfect in any school - but it there really isn't at least 2-3 kids of similar interests or mindsets that your child can connect with, sometimes it's just an unwinable situation and it's no one's 'fault'.

It's not a decision to take lightly - but it doesn't mean that you're promoting 'quitting' or 'an easy way out', it means you're listening to your kid, hearing what they think, feel and experience and making an informed decision to give them the best chance to succeed academically and socially - BOTH very important to long term happiness and mental health.

I'm sorry it's been hard for him. :(

puddingandsun · 12/10/2022 21:45

That sounds tough for him.

You come on MN and read about objective teachers helping every kid with all sorts, helping them make friends, supporting them emotionally.

In my very limited experience with a state school so far, the teachers are too busy to even notice issues like that. I had my child's name misspelled for a year. My parents' meeting was 'how do you think he's doing' + 'he's a bit quiet'. Teacher left, they had temp different ones, they had a new teacher. TA was often doing the teaching.

From the beginning, a class mate would obsess with my child. First following him, sitting really close to him, touching him, and then stepping on his toes, pushing and pulling him. Everyday there'd be an incident and every morning I'd speak to someone and nobody took it seriously/ paid attention.
We had a terrible Reception year. Started school so eager, so excited to then have awful time.

We changed schools. I just thought a school that doesn't notice these things, let's certain dynamics develop, minimises your concerns, will then hardly do anything to sort it out when it's starting to get out of control.

Many things you mentioned for your child are also true for my dc. Hope things get better soon as I know how hard it must be for both of you.

samjade · 24/02/2023 22:11

Hi my son started school he had tics and was extremely anxious and shy he really changed and never wanted to talk about school. 2 years later he has been diagnosed with autism.
he started a new school this week due to a house move and to my surprise he is back to himself like he is at the weekend. Really chatty and telling me about his day!
I don’t know what it was about the old school that made him feel so bad really strange it seems the new school is a better fit and not so much pressure academically? Just delighted he is so happy and back to himself

samjade · 24/02/2023 22:13

I would change his school asap

Barleysugar86 · 24/02/2023 22:15

I'd move him schools. My experience at primary school was similar and I think I really internalised that feeling.

Went to a secondary school where I didn't know anyone and the fresh start was wonderful.

I'd change school if you have any decent other options.

samjade · 24/02/2023 22:36

Maybe start a post asking people who have actually changed school because their child was unhappy and see how it resulted for them.
I am completely shocked after seeing my son go from uptight and obsessive after school to a completely happy relaxed child again in a matter of days ! for example my son needed to have a certain hat everyday which he has forgotten about already and sometimes I forget his scooter if we get an Uber in the morning and he would have an absolute meltdown after school this week when I forgot it he didn’t even notice until we were home it’s amazing and as I said it’s his first week.
He also came home and went to toilet alone which has always been a problem for him I usually have to stand outside and I was told this is all to do with autism I’m so confused 🫤
I would put him anywhere don’t bother looking for the “best” school out there it’s the people that matter nice down to earth non judgmental people is what you need

EmbracingTheEyeBags · 24/02/2023 22:54

@Nymphadora83 I see you started this thread last year. Broke my heart reading it. I have a DS but he's only 1 so I have no advice for you but I am already like a lioness around him so this would really upset me too as a parent.

But How is he getting on now OP? Are things better for him?

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