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Help - Disastrous 1st day back to school again (Y5)

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cowbags73 · 05/09/2022 17:37

Just been consoling my 9 year old dd for the past 90 mins. Huge chest-heaving sobs, and hot tears. After lots of listening and talking I could only calm her down ultimately by distracting her with some TV time.

We’ve been through the same thing since she started school at the beginning of each half term - apart from Reception when she was excited and full of beans and expectations.

In summary, she finds it impossible to make friends. I would say she has acquaintances - the ones who come to play dates and sometimes invite her back (my efforts at social engineering) - but they all have their ‘best friends’ and dd is soon dropped when back in a group at school. The other parents are mostly inclusive, dd is invited to parties but is invariably the one ‘at the end of the table’ while others pair up.

We know she is quite a character; she alternates between playing the clown in the playground to make people laugh and want to play with her, but then is such a stickler for following rules in class she gets frustrated with anyone misbehaving and tells them off. I imagine this goes down like a cup of cold sick! Today she said “I don’t want to have to make people laugh, I just want people to like me” :-(

I’ve sometimes wondered if she might be on the spectrum. She doesn’t display empathy - I’ve previously put it down to her age but see it in other children her age more and more. For example, there have been new joiners to her class over the past couple of years and I have suggested she approach them as they are bound to be feeling nervous and shy and she says things like “But I’m nervous, they should come play with me?”. She is very content playing by herself at home, lots of teacher role play involving her soft toys and our two dogs. Just to add, she isn’t starved of attention/affection - we play games with her too, watch her little impromptu dance shows etc but need to work as well!! She also hates any noise and disruption during lessons and often says she has headaches “because people were naughty in class”.

I approached her form teacher in the second part of Y4 to explain she was struggling with social dynamics and forming friendships after a couple of incidents where she was singled out. Teacher acknowledged dd is very ‘sensitive’ and went onto say the class is full of big characters and she had noticed she had been struggling. It was suggested she speak to the SENCO who told her she could go and sit in her office if it got too much at playtime - but I’m not sure this is enough.

I feel like she needs help learning how to make friendships and be a good friend - just as much as, if not more than learning timetables and fronted adverbials!! It seems like the other girls don’t have the same issues - or if they do - they all have that one ‘bff’ to back them up.

Is this ‘just’ classroom squabbles or is something else at play?

If anyone recognises any of the above and has any advice I would be so grateful. Dd thinks by changing schools she can have “another chance at making friends” but I don’t think that’s the solution and we could go through all the upheaval for the same thing to happen…

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cowbags73 · 07/09/2022 13:22

cowbags73 · 07/09/2022 13:17

Sending lots of sympathy and solidarity back - have you explored the option of counselling focused on social skills out of interest?

This is for @lollipoprainbow 😊

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cowbags73 · 07/09/2022 13:25

cowbags73 · 07/09/2022 13:19

Good luck with his date this week and I’m so glad he found his ‘tribe’ 😊

This is for @Wbeezer 😊

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lollipoprainbow · 07/09/2022 13:28

@cowbags73 hi, I spoke to our Senco lead to see if they offer circle of friends and they don't but they offer similar that works on self esteem and friendships which my dd has been signed up for, also Lego therapy to help her communication skills. I might look into private counselling further if nothing is improving but can't really afford it !!

RaRaRaspoutine · 07/09/2022 14:00

Has your DD ever done a drama club? Lots of kids who are/were like your DD (including me - I could NOT tolerate criticism and used to go insane when kids broke rules) find their tribe there. Putting on plays is quite strict in terms of rehearsal time/commitment and line learning, which your DD sounds like she would enjoy, plus they naturally have to mix during group activities without the pressure of the children having to come up with their own conversation starters. Drama kids tend to be “quirky” too and classes give them space to explore how they talk, think about things and interact with people.

CountessOfSponheim · 07/09/2022 14:13

My DD has inattentive ADHD and some of this sounds very familiar (although a counsellor has suggested getting her assessed for ASD too, so...)

Now she's at secondary school she has found her tribe to an extent but is still socially awkward around her peers - when it comes to meeting new people her age she's either too full-on and scares them off (she's had a handful of transient "best friends" for half a term or so who this has happened with) or too reserved and doesn't engage with them. And she has some sensory sensitivities that don't help in crowded situations.

She does have Drama as one of her main interests.

Phineyj · 07/09/2022 16:09

I overheard one of DD's friends on a video call saying 'I do like you [child's name] but you get SO angry'. Now DH and I do not particularly like this child but we did sympathise with him on that!

She also gets SO excited. Up at 4am this morning to ensure there was plenty of time to shower for school. At 8.10am.

Toomanyminifigs · 09/09/2022 09:26

It's worth keeping a note of some of these examples of how she struggles. If you do decide to try for an assessment, they will ask how her difficulties manifest themselves.

How is she academically? Does she have any difficulties in lessons?

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