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Appealing primary place

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Tanya2022 · 27/04/2022 07:40

Hello

I am wandering if anyone has any advice on school appeals, if I stand a chance this is my situation, prepare your self quite a long one   my child Refused his primary school admission into reception reason given out of catchment area but still 5 min commute  The school my child has been given is closer so distance is not the issue   my hubby suffers with chronic fibromyalgia and depression/anxiety  This condition can be severe and varies from day to day   i have made arrangements with my sister to help with the school pick ups and drop offs when I am caring for his father or been awake all night due to escorting my hubby for medical requirements, if he’s falllen due to poor mobility.   my sister has a child who also attends the refused school so she will pick up my child in a morning and take him to school  also pick him up after school when needed and takes him to hers on occasions for tea until things are calmer and more settled at home  If My child doesn’t attend the school o he will face missing school on days throughout the week and been late due to not been able to get him there due to caring for his dad when his condition is at his worse my child’s education will be effected  Also having my sister and his anti as a support person helps lesson any emotional and social interruptions that My child would experience due to missing school.  To send My child to a different school would break that support connection as my sister is only available to help due to travelling to the same school.  i am concerned that my sons educational and emotional and social needs will be greatly affected if he does not attend the school  at that school he has a reliable support from my sister to ensure when it is impossible to get him there on time then the she will take him and the same with pick ups if his farther has fallen or is in great distress my sister will collect My son at same time as her own son and take him home or drop him home.  my child is a very clever happy child and has a fantastic routine and loves school, it is not fair for his schooling to be affected due to unexpected farthers deteration of health.. I just wants to maintain structure and a stable happy routine for My son and try to make sure that the health of his farther does not affect him emotionally.. to have a different school would greatly Add to some form of distress for Him as he would have days off which would lead to poor attendance affecting his education and learning he would be late, also affect my sons emotional needs and social interactions that he requires as a developing child, I just want to maintain his happiness, to attend another school would put My son and and myself under great pressure and stress wich would affect My child, hes a happy 4 year old boy and deserves to be given the chance at a good reliable education  This current routine supports my sons emotional needs and will also ensure he attends school everyday on time and meets his educational needs to  i no the appeals is really hit and miss and I may not stand a chance
  thanks in advance

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ImTheFuckOffCar · 27/04/2022 07:44

Did you include this information with your original submission?
If you did, then it has already been considered.
If you didn’t I believe it is too late to submit exceptional circumstances.
Sorry OP but on this basis I think an appeal is unlikely.

nearlyspringyay · 27/04/2022 07:45

I think it's unlikely too. Is there a local childminder who can pick up and collect?

ImTheFuckOffCar · 27/04/2022 07:47

Stay on the waiting list for your preferred school. There will be a lot of movement between now and the end of the academic year.

SophieSoSo · 27/04/2022 07:47

It’s almost impossible to be successful at appealing a primary place - the class limits are set and absolutely cannot be increased. There is some leeway at secondary school but not primary.

The only chance of appealing successfully is if the LA have made a mistake when allocating places. Sorry.

HettySunshine · 27/04/2022 07:47

I'm sorry, I don't think you will be successful on these grounds. Lots of people struggle with the school run due to work and other commitments.

I think you would be best looking into a local childminder that can help you with the to-ing and fro-ing.

JazzApple · 27/04/2022 07:48

Does your husband get any benefits for his disability that could be used towards a childminder to take your son to school?

Lots of people have difficulty getting their dc to and from school but there are certainly options.

JanePrentiss · 27/04/2022 07:48

You have posted this elsewhere op haven't you? The answers you were given were consistent and advised unlikely to help in appeal.

toomuchlaundry · 27/04/2022 07:51

I didn’t think childcare was a reason for prioritising admission application

GiantSweetcorn · 27/04/2022 07:52

Have you requested an adult social care assessment for your husband? That is likely to be a much more sustainable route.

Landlubber2019 · 27/04/2022 07:52

I don't think your appeal will be successful on the grounds stated, everyone wants and feels that their child deserves the absolute best education and opportunities but you are out of catchment and unless you can demonstrate an error by the LEA I suspect the maximum amount of children have been offered. Can you find out if their is a waiting list and hope a space becomes available.

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Tanya2022 · 27/04/2022 08:29

Hi there
thanks all for your advice,

I already know that it is far fetched and quite difficult
it’s not so much the transport in general as I am aware that I could get a childminder it’s more the support network that my child receives by attending the current school he has been refused , he has his anti
my husband only fell I’ll last year so we’re all just getting used to this new normal

I’ve rang around and spoke to a few childminders but in an emergency they wouldn’t be able to collect my child and drop off it would have to be routine based so everyday and unfortunately the cost of a childminder for 5 days a week to pick up every morning and drop my child home after school is not affordable and impossible. also there isn’t any minders in my area that pick up unfortunately, there is some who drop off.

I visited the new school and after school club is an option incase I can’t get there on time, it’s just the mornings.

so i am preparing for refusal.

suppose I’ll just have to let it take it course I was just wanting to prevent my child from been affected by been late frequently etc and didn’t want anything to affect his development or for him to become isolated by no longer having that extra support by family and obviously the late school arrivals

also his anti is an emotional support for him he just wondering why his dad is not running round the garden with him anymore
so many changes,
I have already put his name on the waiting list for the school.
I just thought that they maybe a chance due To my child’s emotional and social needs as they will be affected if he is unable to attend the school.

im sure I’ll figure it out and work something out

thanks all

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LIZS · 27/04/2022 08:38

You were advised on the thread yesterday that suggesting non attendance would not get panel onside. Surely if the schools are a maximum 10 minutes apart your dsis could do two drop offs even if one were a little late. Can your dh really not be left for 10 minutes? If not is a carer an option? Go on waiting list and perhaps delay his start until he is turning 5, although with ICS limits it may not change the situation.

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Tanya2022 · 27/04/2022 08:56

My sister has her older child and my eldest child to take to secondary school which is two different secondary schools. So she wouldn’t have time as all the children would be late.. so my sister would no longer be an option, I wasn’t aware that I posted yesterday, I did try as I only joined yesterday I’m a newbie 😆
it kept saying the server was down
so it’s my first time posting this morning.
I did think of keeping him back till he’s 5 I just wanted him to reap the full benefits of school
but again all parents want the best for there children don’t they. I just feel like I’m letting him down and makes me feel rubbish

I’d only be delaying his school start and yes it wouldn’t actually change the situation

well I’ll appeal as I have nothing to loose
and in the meantime I’ll just try to see what else I can do if anything

thanks Again!

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PanelChair · 27/04/2022 14:21

As I said yesterday on the other thread, I doubt that you’ll win an appeal with these arguments.

The allocated school is five minutes from your home. The panel is very likely to think that you can and should be able to make arrangements to get your child to school on time (such as asking a neighbour to help if you can’t leave the house).

It’s worth investigating your local policy on deferring entry to school, although that might only be postponing the problem if you still can’t get a place in your preferred school.

Why are two secondary school-age children being taken to school? Unless you’re in a very rural location (which sounds unlikely) most secondary pupils would get themselves to school.

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Tanya2022 · 27/04/2022 19:06

There 11 years old and the school is quite far they’ve only just started secondary not yet ok with allowing them to go alone as every child’s maturity level is different

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LIZS · 27/04/2022 19:27

But next year they would be 12 and can travel together. If school is far do they qualify for transport?

OnceuponaRainbow18 · 27/04/2022 19:31

Do you know what position you are in the waiting list?

hiredandsqueak · 27/04/2022 19:34

Have you asked for your husband's needs to be assessed by social care? If he really can't be left for ten minutes then getting carers in morning and afternoon would free you to do the school run.

PrimarilyParented · 28/04/2022 20:17

Just a thought but you could keep your child in nursery for another term or two at the current school (sending him to reception the term after he turns 5) so that you can continue this bond/pickups situation for as long as possible and also hope a space opens up sooner. Also, is it possible that there is a primary closer to your older child’s school that has space in the interim? That might work better in terms of school pickups etc.

Lougle · 28/04/2022 20:28

There is almost no chance that this will win an appeal, sorry. You are talking about a school 5 minutes away. If your DH has fallen, you could, as a worst case scenario, put a pillow under his head, nip to school and back, then help him up. Or your DS could be a few minutes late.

If you've been up all night, that's difficult for you, but it won't be unlike many night shift workers, new parents, parents of children with SEN, etc. Again, the school is 5 minutes away, so it really isn't a big deal to nip your child to school and you'd still have to get him ready for school before your DSis came to collect him.

You have the right to appeal so there's no harm in doing so, but in all the appeals I've ever sat on, I would say this has a very low chance of success if it is a prejudice appeal (one based on the difficulty the school will have to accommodate your child Vs your child's need for a place). If it is an infant class size appeal, it should have a close to zero percent chance of success (I say that because panels do occasionally break the rules, but in that situation the LA should appeal the ruling).

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Tanya2022 · 29/04/2022 09:39

Thank you so much for your input, I had my head in the clouds just relying on the fact that he might get the particular school
but now I’m branching out trying to think of other solutions and accepting change basically (not relying on my sisters support)
I’ve figured I have no need to feel guilty on my child as it will only affect him if I let it (wich I won’t)
so yeah thanks!! I have a few months to put other things into place all will be ok (thinking positive)
it’s just the initial shock when you first receive the results, felt like it was the end of the world (obviously isn’t)
all the messages on this thread advice the appeal will be unsuccessful… so many people saying the same so helped me take my concentration off the current school and revert it to finding a solution. still going to try but not place all my eggs in one basket!

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Tanya2022 · 29/04/2022 09:46

Thank you for your input, I had my head in the clouds just relying on the fact that he might get the particular school
but now I’m branching out trying to think of other solutions and accepting change basically (not relying on my sisters support)
I’ve figured I have no need to feel guilty on my child as it will only affect him if I let it (wich I won’t)
so yeah thanks!! I have a few months to put other things into place all will be ok (thinking positive)
it’s just the initial shock when you first receive the results, felt like it was the end of the world (obviously isn’t)
all the messages on this thread advice the appeal will be unsuccessful… so many people saying the same so helped me take my concentration off the current school and revert it to finding a solution. still going to try but not place all my eggs in one basket!

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