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Why do they make us wait so long?(school allocation england)

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Outnumbered99 · 04/04/2022 14:18

Waiting for confirmation of primary place, submitted months ago, surely its all automated and theres no need to leave us on tenterhooks all these weeks i want to know NOW!

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theqentity · 04/04/2022 14:24

I'm not on tenterhooks. I live opposite the school my DC will be going to. There's absolutely no chance they won't get in. It's just a formality.

meditrina · 04/04/2022 14:57

It's 13 weeks between deadline and allocations.

During that time the admissions authority (school or LA) need to rank each application against the admissions criteria (and that's each application, so multiply the number of applicants by the number of slots on the form).

This may involve collating and checking SIFs, convening panels for exceptional social and medical needs, verifying LAC status, co-ordinating with SEN/ECHP application numbers, measuring distance for each application, verifying siblings and any other relevant information, and co-ordinating with other boroughs (as if you live near a boundary, you can apply to schools in either, but it's your home borough that processes the application and therefore must coordinate)

When all that is done, and all applicants have been ranked for each school (and they've checked that no applications have been missed) then there's the giant computer programme that turns those ranked lists into single offer per applicant - again coordinating across boroughs where necessary.

With checks and audits all the way through to make sure the systems are working and scope for error is minimised.

Then finally, all the notifications are prepared ready for sending

It's not an overnight computer task!

Yellowmellow2 · 04/04/2022 18:36

It is a massive undertaking, as detailed by the previous poster. So many variables involved, it’s a miracle the local authority ever manage to do it!

whatatanker · 04/04/2022 19:11

@theqentity this is so not true. It can depend on so many factors. Sadly living next door to the school is not one of them.

GU24Mum · 04/04/2022 19:14

And they've had to do the secondary applications too so there's a bit of breathing / processing time
between the two.

NerrSnerr · 04/04/2022 19:18

[quote whatatanker]@theqentity this is so not true. It can depend on so many factors. Sadly living next door to the school is not one of them.[/quote]
It does for many schools though. I live 0.1 miles from our primary school, distance is one of the top criteria (behind siblings, forces children and children in care). There is no chance there'll be 60 siblings, forces kids and children in care so living close guarantees a place. No one living as close to the school as me has never not got a place (even when it was 30 intake)

ChildOfFriday · 04/04/2022 19:22

[quote whatatanker]@theqentity this is so not true. It can depend on so many factors. Sadly living next door to the school is not one of them.[/quote]
There are other factors, yes, but distance from the school is an admissions criteria for the vast majority of primary schools, as well as a way to separate those who fall into higher criteria such as those with siblings, those meeting faith criteria, etc.

Outwith · 04/04/2022 19:24

@theqentity

I'm not on tenterhooks. I live opposite the school my DC will be going to. There's absolutely no chance they won't get in. It's just a formality.
Well, as long as you're alright Jack 😄.
Whydothat · 04/04/2022 19:30

People in catchment regularly do not get their first choice schools where I live. Siblings attending different primary schools is reasonably common.
The fact that the local schools are so over subscribed is part of the reason it takes so long as people will do almost anything to try and get their child into one.
You can't change the outcome regardless so there's little point worrying about it.

sunshineamongsttheshitstorm · 04/04/2022 19:31

@theqentity

I'm not on tenterhooks. I live opposite the school my DC will be going to. There's absolutely no chance they won't get in. It's just a formality.
You sound a right selfish prick HmmBiscuit
theqentity · 04/04/2022 19:32

[quote whatatanker]@theqentity this is so not true. It can depend on so many factors. Sadly living next door to the school is not one of them.[/quote]
In our case it is. We are literally the closest you can get to the school.

Mumofsend · 04/04/2022 19:42

It is quite a complicated process! And lots of manual checking, readjustment etc.

Outnumbered99 · 04/04/2022 19:51

Thank you all especially @meditrina! The situation I am in there are probably 8 primary schools I could get and I'm just super anxious about it an impatient. I did also assume it was a far more automated process so I have learnt a lot today!

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Sumlove · 04/04/2022 19:55

As someone who works on this, I can assure you it is an extremely time consuming and extensive process. From march 1st (secondary offer day), right through appeals until the end of summer term, school admissions is hard work. We appreciate parents are anxious to know and work really hard to make sure offer day is met 😃

orangeisthenewpuce · 04/04/2022 20:08

@Outnumbered99

Waiting for confirmation of primary place, submitted months ago, surely its all automated and theres no need to leave us on tenterhooks all these weeks i want to know NOW!
For people who apply online it's automated but lots of people still don't and all that information has to be input by hand. Then there are lots of address checks done to try and make sure people aren't fiddling. All that takes lots of time.
thejadedone · 05/04/2022 08:40

We are also awaiting national offer day. Office of National Statistics have stated that this is a very low birth year so I am not too concerned. We would be happy with either our 1st or 2nd choice and to a point our 3rd, so not stressing too much. That said, it would be nice to know so I can start thinking about school uniform. I've held off as it could be navy or grey!

TulipCat · 05/04/2022 08:51

Don't forget there are three sets of applications for councils to process - secondary, primary and nursery. They also need to strike a balance between offering places too early so that things change and there is a lot of extra admin generated, and leaving enough time for appeals etc. I think the timescale is about right.

Charmatt · 05/04/2022 13:23

I process primary applications as part of my job. I'm also a present officer for admissions appeals. I work for a Multi Academy Trust.

The LA contacted me on Friday about a late application to delay and I turned around the response that day after speaking to the headteacher of the school in question.

Considering LAs have to verify all LAC/PLAC applications, calculate distances, exchange applications across LAs and provide MATs with their applications before they can start ranking, the process doesn't start properly until mid February.

Every application has to be ranked individually - in our area that means the same child being processed up to 4 times if all 4 preferences are used. Every catchment has to be verified by a human check, and then every sibling has to be verified as well. In the case of infant and junior schools, you may be asking for verification from the other school and sometimes addresses aren't up to date, so addresses have to be updated and matched too.

Following on from that, all applications are given a criteria by a human being, then they are ranked into a single list for each school. Once this is complete, their ranking has to be inputted onto the Capita system individually before checks are then implemented. In our Trust, we check each others work, then we have others dip test our ranking before we notify the LA the ranking lists are complete. The LA then have to do their own checks to ensure there are no mistakes.

Following on from that, the LA also have to consult all schools on a preference application when delayed entry is requested and we have to respond to that.

All of this doesn't take into account if there are any applications that appear suspicious or are contested by split parents. We have had a number this year where we have had to request proof of address to establish if there was fraud or not, but that is better than withdrawing a place, which we have had to do in the past.

Once all that is complete, the information is all fed in to a computer programme running an algorithm which provides a single offer to each parent, based on the highest preference available. After that, there is a second communication between all LAs to share the information and provide a single offer out to all parents on offer day.

Schools don't have a list yet - we receive an embargoed list only a day or so before.

Then on offer day, we receive several phonecalls from parents who may be looking for a school place or who are upset at not receiving their first preference and we provide advice accordingly. We start straight away with preparations for appeals.

We haven't stopped working since February and I cannot take leave at February half-term no matter what, because we have to ensure each application is processed by someone trained to do the job properly.

The only part of the process that is automated is the online application. Once it is submitted, everything else has a human checking and processing it at every stage.

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