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Bedford Girls Vs Bedford Modern

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Aliastoday · 19/02/2022 18:33

I've seen some older threads on this but nothing recent. Looking for junior school entry for next year (2023) and considering both Bedford Girls and Bedford Modern. Would love to hear recent experiences. Thanks.

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productiveattitude · 19/04/2022 16:50

Our daughter recently went to Bedford Girls School (junior school). It was a complete disaster! Bullying, low staff morale, a headmistress who is completely disorganised and a culture that believes in breeding Alpha females! There is a very real culture of favouritism and if your kid is an amazing sportsperson then they might just be in the elite group and that is where all of the resources go. There are a lot of kids leaving every year to go to BMS - I never see it happen in reverse. That should tell you something...

Aliastoday · 19/04/2022 17:17

Oh wow. Thanks for your reply. That's not how they come across at all so interesting that's your experience. Definitely food for thought! How long was your daughter there for before you moved?

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productiveattitude · 19/04/2022 19:51

She was there for the whole of junior school and we moved her for senior school. We kept telling ourselves it would get better - but it didn’t. With hindsight we should have moved her a year or two before. But hindsight is a wonderful thing.
A lot of students moved from her year.

Aliastoday · 19/04/2022 20:06

I'm sorry about your experience. I hope she is settled now.

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Leggingslife · 19/06/2022 21:35

Any updated thoughts?

flowerycurtain · 27/01/2023 16:35

Also interested in updated thoughts

flowerycurtain · 02/02/2023 11:36

Anyone?

Smartiepants79 · 02/02/2023 11:49

My 2 are both at Bedford girls and I have the absolute opposite opinion to the previous poster! Eldest has been there 5 years now and I have no complaints at all.
She loves it and so does her sister who joined the junior school this year.
We’ve had no issues with bullying and have not noticed any of the girls friends/classes leaving to go to BMS.
We felt BGS was so much better than the modern when we looked around. Much better for girls education in particular.
We have one sporty child and one not. Both happy and flourishing. As are all their friends.
Is it perfect? No of course not, but we have no serious complaints and overall feel it’s the best for our girls.
Have you looked round?
Each school will be better suited to different children.
On a side note - what’s wrong with ‘alpha females’?? Shouldn’t we be teaching our girls leadership qualities? Resilience, confidence and to speak out for themselves?? All the BGs girls I have contact with are bright, confident and articulate.
You get difficult, bitchy, bullies in all schools.

flowerycurtain · 02/02/2023 14:30

@Smartiepants79 thank you very much - helpful insight and good to hear from a current parent. We've looked at both schools. My heart is with BGS (I'm an ex lacrosse player!) but we live much closer to BMS. DS will hopefully be going to the boys school. I'm also slightly out off by the curriculum they do being a bit different to the more traditional methods I'm used to.

Smartiepants79 · 02/02/2023 14:41

The curriculum is only really obviously different in the junior school and I love the way it works.
Once in senior school it is all individual subject teaching.
like I said, we’re very happy with it. I don’t recognise the school the previous poster describes!
Have found the junior school in particular to be well lead with lovely staff. Again, it’s not perfect, there are always going to be little niggles but my girls are happy and that’s good enough for me.

tes45162 · 03/02/2023 14:29

Hello all, this is a very interesting thread. We are looking for DD year three entry next year (2024) and I’ve heard some very worrying things about parents of girls in the senior school at BGS. Talk of 30 teachers leaving last year, teachers in tears in the toilet screaming that they hate the school, bullying of staff and students, and a culture where if you’re not one of the sporty set or top set alphas, you tend to be simply ignored. The parent tells me that there are many parents of girls in year 10 who are looking to move their children this year and sadly for the start of year 11 (which is obviously a completely crazy decision to make during the GCSEs unless something is going very wrong at the school). I’m simply reporting what I’ve been told, but I have no idea if it’s true.

Would be interested to hear any views/experience on this…

Smartiepants79 · 03/02/2023 17:06

Who is telling you these things??
What is your source?
As I have already said, this is not my experience AT ALL.
My eldest is neither sporty, top set or alpha anything but she has a couple of groups of lovely friends, her teachers all know who she is and she is happy and thriving. I can count on one hand the number of girls I’m aware of having left the school and they were all because of changes in family circumstances.
I suspect it is probably quite a high pressure place to work as parental expectations are very high. Not all places suit all people. Teachers leave for all sorts of reasons - retirement, maternity,
Go and look round, talk to staff and girls on the open morning. Make your own judgements.

Aliastoday · 03/02/2023 17:19

I've done a lot more research and very much hoping to send my daughter to BGS this year. I now know several people with their children there and they love it. Some are sporty and some are not. Some are academic and some are not. There seems to be something for everyone and I love the IB ethos in the junior school now I've researched it more.

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flowerycurtain · 03/02/2023 19:42

To be fair one of the places I heard about the migration of pupils from BGS was at the BMS open day where teachers and students alike both mentioned it.

Regarding the teachers there are some teachers I remember from BGS from my own time at one of the schools predecessors still teaching so it can't be that bad a place to teach!

Well we find out on Wednesday so I wonder if the decision will be made for us!

ItsReallyOnlyMe · 03/02/2023 20:07

I'm a bit out of date, but I had a daughter at BGS who left at Year 13 in 2016, and a son who left BMS Year 13 in 2019 (DD started at the now closed Bedford High School before merger with Dame Alice).

Both were academic, DD was sporty. Neither into drama or music.

I would put BMS head and shoulders above BGS in every area except sport. (I caveat that the head who was at BGS at the time has changed since she left). I have no experience of BGS junior school.

My random thoughts about each school are below.

BMS - far more organised, better school trips, stricter at points where it mattered, co-educational (more important for boys apparently). It's probably easier for girls to get into school sports teams as fewer number of girls. There's a bigger site. There's a neater drop off situation for the mornings - no need to park ! Better drama department. Nice theatre which is extensively used for music and other productions.

BGS - splendid sports department (although same girls were picked for the teams all the time - a common complaint across the Harpur Trust though). This meant sporty children were playing matches every week (a pain) and non-sporty wanting to represent their school and couldn't. (I think this is not so true in Year 9 when rowing kicks in). They play lacrosse (DD now 25 still plays lacrosse !) They also have the IB which appeals to some children. They do link in with Bedford School, it does take place but this is very limited- particularly in the earlier years.

flowerycurtain · 03/02/2023 22:05

@ItsReallyOnlyMe thank you - useful info. I do wonder how much the merger made things tricky as anecdotally older girls have had more issues than the younger prep years with current students.

Great to hear your daughter kept up Lacrosse - such a great sport and should be played way more!!

Lottsbiffandsmudge · 03/02/2023 22:21

I have had 3 go through BMS. Two DS (one left last year, one in year 13 now) and one DD, currently in yr 11. All three started in junior school
I have no comparison to BGS.
What I like about BMS:
Great academics on the whole. The odd duff teacher which they don't do anything about, same everywhere. Their results are top of the 3 selective harpur trust schools.
Amazing music and drama and I mean amazing. My boys have had a simply brilliant musical eduction and the extra curricular stuff is phenomenal. (My DD is not interested!)
The school feels 'normal'- we are both state educated and it feels like a v good state school rather than a private school.
The art department is also amazing.

The sixth form is fantastic. Both boys have had an amazing time with brilliant opportunities for enrichment.

Less good: girls sport. And sport in general. They do not have the numbers to produce v good teams. My DD is v sporty and the teams around her were never that great. Same happens in boys but the teaching is better. My DD got horribly frustrated by sport in junior school.

We also wanted co-ed. The logistics of dropping off in two places filled me with dread!

flowerycurtain · 04/02/2023 07:16

@Lottsbiffandsmudge thank you for that. We met the head of 6th form and he was very inspirational. Strong hints he won't be around for long though. They're also losing the head next year and we've been burned by the change of head in our current school.

Would be far keener if we could get both children in due to logistics as you say. It we didn't think DS was academic enough.

ItsReallyOnlyMe · 04/02/2023 08:23

@flowerycurtain What year would your children enter the school(s) ?

flowerycurtain · 04/02/2023 09:58

Year 4 BgS and Y6 BS

ItsReallyOnlyMe · 04/02/2023 11:29

@flowerycurtain They're really good times to be starting. Are they both due to go in September ?

tes45162 · 05/02/2023 10:01

It seems that people's views of schools like BGS and BMS tend to be very influenced by the experiences of their own children. The parents who I have spoken to have clearly taken against the school and its culture because of their daughters' issues with anxiety and bullying. These issues also occur in state schools: does this mean that it is the school's fault? My own opinion is that parents should do what they can to make their children strong and able to cope with the normal variances of childhood. A predisposition to anxiety will manifest in any environment in which a child is placed. To really drill down into whether either BMS or BGS is 'failing' in some way, we would need to examine data on the psychological profiles of their cohorts. Are more 'nerdy', high-neuroticism introvert personality types more attracted to BMS, and more 'sporty', roll-with-the-punches tougher extrovert types attracted to BGS (just a hypothesis)? If this was true, then the few high-neurosis nerds who end up at at BGS will be in an environment with much tougher girls and may feel extra anxious as a consequence. Without any details on the cohort profiles, we are very much making judgements by pluralising anecdotes.

The issue may not be BGS's ability to support children and deter bullying, it could also be that a preponderance of anxious children and their parents are attracted to the school (seeing it as a place of nurture and safety, for example). Modern children also have a very low trigger point for the word 'bullying' - most people in their forties and fifties would use the term 'teasing' to describe what many children (IMO) overreact to. My own opinion: rather than seeking to make the environment more cushioned, safer and low risk, concentrate on building your child's strength and ability to cope with the world. Send them in to environments where they need to be tough, and learn the skills to cope: just like muscles in a gym, the biological system responds by compensating for the weakness by becoming stronger.

We have started trying to prepare our daughter for both the academic and social challenges of school: for instance she attends Kip McGrath tuition and also martial arts club. She is already exceeding expected standards in school, and the tutoring helps to expand her competence in many areas of English and maths. I wonder if any other parents have the experience of local tutoring providers in Bedford and how they have helped for Harpur Trust entry (or general school performance)? Kip McGrath has been really good so far (and uses professional, qualified teachers in an old castle building), but I am sure there must be other providers who may also help.

We send our daughter to martial arts to help her develop a tough mindset. It is a reliable psychological statistic that 3-4% of the population can be clinically identified as psychopaths. This is really scary to me! What should we do about it? My plan is to help our children be so tough that if they are sitting next to a psychopath in their class (or a sufferer of its childhood precursor, antisocial personality disorder), or if the boss in their first job is a psychopath - they can cope! If our sons and daughters are weak and anxious, while we can protect them at home, they will be unprepared for the real world and will be prey for the predators out there. I hope that martial arts helps to develop resilience and strength - does anyone know anything else that can help in this regard?

flowerycurtain · 08/02/2023 19:15

Well she's got into both so that makes our decision no clearer whatsoeverGrin

Nanny67 · 08/02/2023 19:22

My daughter went to the girls school before it was merged/renamed and it was absolutely fantastic. Both the Head of the Junior and Senior school were fantastic. Sadly both of those staff have left now, but my choice would still be the Girls school.

ItsReallyOnlyMe · 08/02/2023 19:47

@flowerycurtain Congratulations to your daughter !

At both schools she will get a very good education. The average standard of student will be a little higher at BMS as there will be more competition for places just as there's boys and girls applying.

Perhaps you need to make the decision on Single Sex vs Co-Ed education if you can't decide.

You don't have a crystal ball as to which school your daughter will be happier at - a lot depends on the friends she makes - which you can't predict of course.