What age for these spellings

[mummyof2boys30]

My son has diagnosis of dyslexia and has just received a statement of educational need. His school aren't very understanding and have had lots of issues so i tend not to ask their advise.

What age would you expect a child to be doing spellings like
Black
Pack
Smack
Pick
Lick
Sick
Sixty

On another note, poor little kids in whatever school being expected to write those words by the end of Reception! Reception is supposed to be still mainly play based. They're just learning to write letters let alone put them into spellings.

could, thought, people.

All year 2 common exception words, they might be able to spell them in year 1 but not expected until year 2

@Seashor

They are not year 1. My reception children would be expected to spell them. My year 1’s are spelling words like could, thought, people.

I hope you are not a teacher. If you are a teacher I would expect you to know that children learn at very different rates. Only a rubbish teacher would 'expect' a reception age child to be able to spell those words.

@MerryMarigold

On another note, poor little kids in whatever school being expected to write those words by the end of Reception! Reception is supposed to be still mainly play based. They're just learning to write letters let alone put them into spellings.

In Scotland it is now play based in year 1 too.

We force formal written literacy far too early in this country. I read once that countries with early age formal literacy have higher rates of dyslexia. Presumably because kids are being pushed before they are ready.

@MerryMarigold

On another note, poor little kids in whatever school being expected to write those words by the end of Reception! Reception is supposed to be still mainly play based. They're just learning to write letters let alone put them into spellings.

There's an odd disconnect between Reception being "play based" and individual, but also the government expect all children to be reading and writing sentences by the end of the year

Ms DS (yr4) is severely dyslexic and does different spellings to the rest of the class. He has just this month been doing words with CK and in them and also the x sounds. He seemed to get the ck ok but the x flummoxed him a bit. I hate seeing what the rest of the class are doing on Dojo, I can see how far behind he is. He is very clever topic wise but reading, writing and spelling are really poor.

My daughter has done those. She's in reception. They did those quite early on as well.

@Seashor

They are not year 1. My reception children would be expected to spell them. My year 1’s are spelling words like could, thought, people.

They are Year 1 as revision of reception work.

@MerryMarigold

On another note, poor little kids in whatever school being expected to write those words by the end of Reception! Reception is supposed to be still mainly play based. They're just learning to write letters let alone put them into spellings.

All schools should expect most children to be able to spell those words in reception ... you're confusing spelling with handwriting!

Glumgal revision of reception would take place in the very first weeks of Y1 not half way through the year.

@Pleasedontputthatthere

Ms DS (yr4) is severely dyslexic and does different spellings to the rest of the class. He has just this month been doing words with CK and in them and also the x sounds. He seemed to get the ck ok but the x flummoxed him a bit. I hate seeing what the rest of the class are doing on Dojo, I can see how far behind he is. He is very clever topic wise but reading, writing and spelling are really poor.

Yes i like to guage how far behind he is, he is thankfully going to be getting support this year, well prob in September now as we habe only received proposed statement but its definitely a kick in the teeth seeing how far behind he actually is

Mummy - it is so difficult seeing how much harder it is for him. I do try not to compare and avoid looking at things on Dojo. His teacher this year is dyslexic which has been a really big help. We paid for a private assessment which has been helpful but when I ask school about an EHCP they say he wouldn't get one 'just' for dyslexia even though he is doing reception level spellings.

Have you looked at doing Toe by Toe, we started with him but I think we was a bit too young. We are going to start it up with him soon.

All schools should expect most children to be able to spell those words in reception ... you're confusing spelling with handwriting!

So how are they spelling it then without writing? Spelling orally is much harder than writing it (when you can write). Being able to read it is very different from being able to spell it.

I'm sure you're aware of magnetic letters and letter blocks.

Ahhh so they test whether all 30 children in a class can spell these words (and I assume many others) using magnetic letters. Ok. That must be fun for them. Let's get back to the EYFS!

In reception I'd use letter tiles for word building and whiteboards I'd certainly not be doing spelling tests.

Dd1 could spell them at 4/5, dd2 was 9 or 10 (dyslexia)

I would expect the CK sound to cover ages 3 to 5 as they are in the EYFS.

Can you link me to that cabbageking, please. Also do you mean 3-5, finishing on 5th birthday or 3-5 all the way to 6th birthday.

The EYFS says that at the end of the Reception year:
Children at the expected level of development will:

• Write recognisable letters, most of which are correctly formed;
• Spell words by identifying sounds in them and representing the sounds with a

letter or letters;

• Write simple phrases and sentences that can be read by others.

It doesn't mention specific sounds or digraphs.
Schools choose a phonics scheme to follow that will tell them when to teach each sound.
"Development Matters" which is a non-statutory document that supports nurseries and schools in implementing the EYFS suggests 3 & 4 year olds should write some letters accurately and 4 & 5 year olds in Reception should ^Spell words by identifying the sounds and then
writing the sound with letter/s.^

Schools do choose a scheme, but I don't know any schemes off the top of my head that don't teach 'ck' in the earlier stages covered in reception. Usually in autumn or spring terms.

I would say year one so 5-6 but you don't get a dyslexia diagnosis till at least 7 so he must be older

Thanks busy. That's helpful. I know they spell phonically in Reception. I didn't know they were expected to remember things like 'ck' make a 'k' when writing (obviously different when reading. So I remember my DS writing 'sock' as 'soc'. I'm sure he could have read sock correctly at the same time but not remembered to write it that way. 🤷‍♀️ I just feel a bit sorry and I thought the new EYFS was a bit less heavy on the reading/ writing so young (considering most countries don't even start school until Y1).

didn't know they were expected to remember things like 'ck' make a 'k' when writing (obviously different when reading)

No, not at all - children should learn to decode and encode at the same time.

@mummyof2boys30

I know it's hard but it's not a great idea to 'see how far behind he is'. It doesn't really work like that with people with dyslexia. It's a specific learning difficulty - he may well be the same or even above others with his understanding but is struggling with the physical aspect of recording it. This does need to be worked on and targeted spelling and individual interventions at school can help with this. It's also more useful to give support in a practical way so that his learning is shared in a way he can express himself accurately. This would usually mean something like an adult writing for him, written prompts for support and the most common and useful (in my opinion) is a laptop or tablet. Depending on severity of writing issues this could be speech to text dictation or the use of word (etc) to help correct the spellings so it can be read.
I would look at what support he is receiving and see what is being put into place for future proofing his learning. It's not long until he'll be at secondary school where the expectations of writing will be much greater.