Shouting teacher

[MamaBee23]

DD is in Y3 & has a very shouty teacher. It has got to the point now where she is coming home from school most days in tears and doesn't want to go to school anymore! I had a meeting with the headteacher who acknowledges said teacher is very firm but that is to prepare them as they are now KS2 . The conversation then turned to that the teacher loses patience because of how disruptive DD is in class and how she apparently doesn't listen, swings on her chair, tries to get the attention of other kids, talks alot etc but this is the first I have heard about it. She has also recently been diagnosed with Dyslexia which I feel possibly explains why she is getting distracted in class. Am I unreasonable to be frustrated at my child getting shouted at? How do I deal with this effectively? Thanks

I would focus on how everyone can best tackle this behaviour. (Obviously it shouldn’t be shouting!) also if there is a TA in the class then their perspective may be helpful. Not on the shouting but on why the behaviour starts.
Ex teacher! I’ve known some students suddenly misbehave when asked to start work. Because they found what they were asked to do overwhelming. Or when given too many instructions at once. Or when anxious that any work they do won’t be good enough. Etc etc. I’ve used lots of different approaches. (Many years ago now!) Give one instruction at a time. Praise. Talk through the task. Given a doodle book to help focus when giving instructions. Depended on the child. (Secondary). Clearly what they’re doing right now isn’t working. Poor kid.

I took my yr 3 son out of his school in November last year. He has Dyslexia and suspected ADHD. He had a really shorty teachers in ur 3 and it just finished him off. He was crying before and after school and during weekends.

I tried to talk to his class teacher, the Head and the Senco. Because his behaviour is impeccable, they didn't want to know.

He is due to start a lovely new school next week.

His previous school was the fifth I'd sent one of my kids too and I was utterly shocked by how they refused to listen and completely ignore the fact my son was suffering emotionally.

I would move her op, shit schools don't listen.

@MamaBee23
First of all see the SENCO. Ask what help the school is giving your DD. They gave to provide help.

They are blaming your DD for the shortcomings of the teacher. If none of her school reports has ever mentioned annoying behaviour, then this teacher has poor class management. Heads should monitor classroom practice. If they don’t they really don’t know how well a teacher manages a class. Shouting is a clear sign this teacher doesn’t have the right skills.

I would consider moving schools if there is no improvement. However make sure your DD is listening and behaving well and also make sure she gets help in class. Usually a TA will help with instructions and reminders for example.

Y3 and had a diagnosis of dyslexia can I ask what route you took to get your diagnosis please currently going through this but our primary don't fund testing dyslexia.

The test is a 20 min computer program. If school don’t do it speak to the GP as something must be in place elsewhere.

All schools must make decisions over SEND. They have a SENDCO and access to educational psychologists who can screen children flagged up by teachers. I doubt a 20 minute in line DIY test would be sufficient to get extra help from a school. Any SEN diagnosis is more complex than that. Schools cannot just wash their hands of children with potential SEN. They must consider what the issues are although labels are not always helpful.

While you can't really know the exact reasons and extent of the teacher's shouting (DD is upset and therefore may not be relaying what happened completely accurately), the fact you've raised this to the teacher means that they should be thinking carefully about how they are using their voice. I project in the classroom if I need to (sometimes 30 excited kids means a normal voice just doesn't cut it) but I'd be upset if it meant I was upsetting a child. I do not shout to intimidate.

Also, I have to say, training for teaching children with dyslexia in schools can be a bit sporadic. I've been teaching 12 years in about five different schools and only two of those schools have done any dyslexia awareness or training at all, that I've been aware of.

Does your DD have an EHCP? If not, she should at least have some kind of SEN profile that the teacher is aware of, which includes strategies on how to help your DD achieve in the classroom. I'd be taking things to the SENCo and SEN governor if there is a plan for your DD that is not being followed. That's why we spend time making plans - to help children!!

I see so you haven't had the official diagnosis. The 20 min test school do is not an official diagnosis and will not be counted as evidence once older for exams and things. I need the official diagnosis which school don't fund looking online its going to cost me hundreds and all the places are miles away from me.

A school has to identify SEND. They cannot wash this under the carpet. You need to speak to the SENDCO regarding screening. Lots of parents cannot afford tests. That’s why schools do it. They have a wide range of evidence about DD. Who flagged dyslexia in the first place? Were learning issues flagged up on her reports or to you at parents evenings? Is she good at other aspects of learning? What is her assessment profile at school? You need a lot more info from the school. Preferably with the SENDCO who can look at all her assessment profiles and sample her work.

doubt a 20 minute in line DIY test would be sufficient to get extra help from a schol

Yes it does. It’s not a diagnosis it’s says dyslexic tendencies same as the physiologist.

If x is suspected they should be treated as if they have it. High schools do the same tests for exams - to find the deficits - could be focus now more reading writing and put in place what’s nessecary.

@KatherineofGaunt

While you can't really know the exact reasons and extent of the teacher's shouting (DD is upset and therefore may not be relaying what happened completely accurately), the fact you've raised this to the teacher means that they should be thinking carefully about how they are using their voice. I project in the classroom if I need to (sometimes 30 excited kids means a normal voice just doesn't cut it) but I'd be upset if it meant I was upsetting a child. I do not shout to intimidate.

Also, I have to say, training for teaching children with dyslexia in schools can be a bit sporadic. I've been teaching 12 years in about five different schools and only two of those schools have done any dyslexia awareness or training at all, that I've been aware of.

Does your DD have an EHCP? If not, she should at least have some kind of SEN profile that the teacher is aware of, which includes strategies on how to help your DD achieve in the classroom. I'd be taking things to the SENCo and SEN governor if there is a plan for your DD that is not being followed. That's why we spend time making plans - to help children!!

@KatherineofGaunt she doesn't have an ECHP yet but she does have an IEP which I believe is the first step. I have requested a meeting with the SENCO and class teacher on a few occasions but the SENCO is part time and covid absences have put alot of pressure on the school so didn't push it too much. I have emailed school and pushed again so hopefully soon il get somewhere. I do believe this teacher is shouting to intimidate - DD says that when she cries (which seems often at the moment) she is told 'tears don't work with me - tears won't help' Seems their is a lack of nurturing or understanding that these children are still so young - eldest DC has also walked past the classroom and heard her shouting & said she has never heard anyone should like that.

I remember when DD1 was at school and there was a known “shouter”. Most DC didn’t like the boot camp atmosphere in her classroom. She became a Head though. At one of the most challenging schools in the nearby town. Thankfully DD avoided her. I’m always amazed Heads don’t realise what’s going on in their schools. Surely they must walk around and hear the shouting. A decent Head would not accept that style with younger children either. Some Heads don’t accept their responsibilities and are ineffective.

I do hope you get your appointment. Ask for TA assistance for DD and try and make sure the teacher sticks to the Plan. This requires the SENDCO to be proactive. Being part time doesn’t absolve the teacher from their duties. It might not be a great idea for the SENDCO to be part time if there’s a lot to do! Are there high numbers of send children?