Are your children’s vaccines up to date?

Set a reminder

Please or to access all these features

Primary education

Join our Primary Education forum to discuss starting school and helping your child get the most out of it.

Best preparation for Kent 11+ - private school or tutor?

16 replies

BoosterBea · 13/12/2021 13:51

Hi all, I would really appreciate some advice from Kent parents please.

We're moving from London to the Tonbridge/Sevenoaks area in January (renting initially) and ideally I'd like my son (currently Year 2) to go to one of the local grammars for secondary. We've been looking at state and prep schools and I'm trying to decide which route would be best. Private school would be doable but a bit of a stretch, and I also like the idea of him doing lots of sport, which seems to be a key feature of most of the Prep Schools we've been investigating.

I'm thinking that the small class sizes will mean that the children are really well prepared for the 11+ and it looks as if the schools get really good results. One school states on their website that they had a 97% pass rate, but what I'm not clear about is how meaningful this really is - i.e. do all children sit the test or just those that are likely to pass?

But I'd really like to get an idea for how easy/difficult it is for children from state schools to get into the grammars (assuming that they are of appropriate ability)? Would I be better saving my money and send him to a state school and pay for a tutor? I've really liked the state schools I've looked at so far and I'm not sure if I can justify spending £15,000/year when he would probably be perfectly happy at one of those, especially when he can do lots of sport outside of school, but I also don't want to look back and wish I'd done more to help him. At the moment he's in a private primary with small class sizes, mainly because the state options weren't what we wanted, but I think he would cope ok with bigger class sizes, I just worry that he won't get the attention he (and we) have been used to.

Apologies in advance if this comes across as overly pushy/competitive. I'm aware that the culture in London is a bit different to Kent - which is partly why we're moving!

OP posts:
Are your children’s vaccines up to date?
KitchenDancefloor · 13/12/2021 14:01

Kent parent here.

Your child is very young, too young to determine whether grammar is the right fit for them, even if they are coached to pass.

Kent has good comprehensives too!

3peassuit · 13/12/2021 14:55

My daughters both went to grammar school from state primaries as did most of their fellow grammar school classmates. There are some who go down the prep school 11 plus route but private school is no guarantee they will pass. If private is a bit of stretch you may be better off with a tutor and save your money for extra curricular clubs.

SensibleMum1 · 14/12/2021 14:22

Sevenoaks/Tonbridge have a range of fantastic state primary schools which get lots of children into the local grammars. My DC went to state primary and is currently at a selective grammar school where most of the class went to state primary.

Save your money and get yourself a good 11plus tutor. Grammar school really isn’t for everyone though and there are lots of other good schools around in the area. There are also lots of great sports clubs so you don’t need prep school for these opportunities either. Good luck.

Tulips00998124 · 15/12/2021 16:24

We moved from London to Kent about 10 years ago. Ended up having to use tutors as a local prep school let us down badly when Covid hit.
Our child passed the entrance tests for 2 grammar schools, but then had a look around a local comprehensive and preferred that to the grammar options. They have a grammar stream within the local comprehensive school, that fits our child very well.

Agree with the other posters, give it some time yet , as things do change as they get older.....

From personal experience , I wouldn't waste money on private prep schooling again. (I'm not anti private school, it's course for horses).
The private tutors prepared our child far more for 11 plus and secondary school.

oviraptor21 · 15/12/2021 16:31

From experience state primary plus tutor is more than enough to get a decent 11+ pass. In some areas there are not enough grammar school places to go around so private secondary is an option.

The Knoll Academy is a Sevenoaks comprehensive which has a grammar stream which a lot of parents recommend.

Bringonsummer19 · 15/12/2021 22:45

I really wouldn’t waste all that money just to get them into a grammar school. State and tutor is fine

BoosterBea · 16/12/2021 10:42

Thanks very much everyone, that's really helpful.

OP posts:
time2tork · 16/12/2021 10:51

You are a long way off, I sent mine to a Prep school in Kent but since moved away and not bothering with 11+.

Before we moved across the country we were going to take them out of their old fashioned Prep and looked at The Wells Free School in Tunbridge Wells, we viewed it too and it was lovely and modern with smaller class sizes. It's free not private!! But also a "free school" so follow their own rules..

However my step daughter currently goes to an all girls grammar school in Kent, it really wasn't worth the extra tutoring.

They don't seem to filter out the bad kids.

My step son goes to an all boys grammar school in Kent and he complains it's not modern enough, it's very behind the times.

My own daughters go to a pioneering 21st Century STEM school (one of the aspiration academy schools) - for free!! My step son wishes he could go to it...

summertimerolls · 07/01/2022 20:03

@KitchenDancefloor

Kent parent here.

Your child is very young, too young to determine whether grammar is the right fit for them, even if they are coached to pass.

Kent has good comprehensives too!

Kent has no comprehensives, let alone good ones!

When 20-25% of the children are creamed off by the grammar system, no non-grammar can call itself comprehensive and they are essential secondary moderns and most really aren't great at all with one or two notable exceptions that require a large degree of religious commitment... East Sussex has good comprehensives bur Kent not so much. Also a Kent parent, and in the run up to the 11+ ourselves.

And as an aside - we have a child in a prep. She is also getting 11+ tutoring alone with allllll the others doing the 11+ in her year so don't assume it's an either/or OP!

Ericaequites · 08/01/2022 04:03

Halfway through year 2 can give you a good idea about academic a given child is. Tutoring is much cheaper than private school, especially when you start summer before year 5.

KitchenDancefloor · 08/01/2022 12:03

Hi @summertimerolls you're right that technically Kent doesn't have true comprehensives but it does have some excellent high schools.

One of my children chose to go to a non-selective school (first choice) over a super-selective (second choice) because it suited them better. They got high scores in the Kent test without any coaching but a few familiarisation papers at home so they understood the test format so we knew that they had the ability to be in the super-selective school.
However they thrive at the top rather than the middle of the pack and don't respond well in a high pressure environment. They are in a grammar stream and doing brilliantly in a very supportive environment.

It's worth looking at all the options in an area and the current school leadership. There is one grammar than we didn't even consider because the head is awful and the teacher turnover is infamous.

I suppose I'm trying to say grammar doesn't necessarily mean the best choice for your child or non-selective a poor choice.

Tulips00998124 · 23/01/2022 12:07

@time2tork

You are a long way off, I sent mine to a Prep school in Kent but since moved away and not bothering with 11+.

Before we moved across the country we were going to take them out of their old fashioned Prep and looked at The Wells Free School in Tunbridge Wells, we viewed it too and it was lovely and modern with smaller class sizes. It's free not private!! But also a "free school" so follow their own rules..

However my step daughter currently goes to an all girls grammar school in Kent, it really wasn't worth the extra tutoring.

They don't seem to filter out the bad kids.

My step son goes to an all boys grammar school in Kent and he complains it's not modern enough, it's very behind the times.

My own daughters go to a pioneering 21st Century STEM school (one of the aspiration academy schools) - for free!! My step son wishes he could go to it...

Totally agree with your step daughters view point on this. Alot of disruptive children from her previous school went on to very well known Kent Grammar schools. There is a boys grammar school near us and parents know it has a bad reputation, but still send their kids to it for names sake. We found the discipline in some main stream secondary schools to be better in comparison.
Tulips00998124 · 23/01/2022 12:08

sorry alot of disruptive children from our daughters previous school *

expatinmys · 20/07/2023 12:33

time2tork · 16/12/2021 10:51

You are a long way off, I sent mine to a Prep school in Kent but since moved away and not bothering with 11+.

Before we moved across the country we were going to take them out of their old fashioned Prep and looked at The Wells Free School in Tunbridge Wells, we viewed it too and it was lovely and modern with smaller class sizes. It's free not private!! But also a "free school" so follow their own rules..

However my step daughter currently goes to an all girls grammar school in Kent, it really wasn't worth the extra tutoring.

They don't seem to filter out the bad kids.

My step son goes to an all boys grammar school in Kent and he complains it's not modern enough, it's very behind the times.

My own daughters go to a pioneering 21st Century STEM school (one of the aspiration academy schools) - for free!! My step son wishes he could go to it...

Hi. I came across this thread and I know it's from 2 years ago. However, the whole subject of grammar schools is raising a lot of concerns for me. We are in the Middle East currently. DS due to start Yr 5 in August this year. Currently he is in a British school here. We are looking to move back in December this year, register DS for the 11plus exam in June. He has started with a tutor. Doing okay but needs some push with mainly English. He is a bit weak on vocabulary.
The schools that are within our catchment, where we live in Sevenoaks are in Tonbridge and TW. It's a massive move for us as a family back to the UK. Just wondering if you could share experiences from the boys grammar schools in Kent which your DS attended.
I wanted to get all opinions good and bad before committing to moving. Quite stressful tbh.

starpatch · 21/07/2023 20:24

You should start your own thread expatinmys as people reading will easily miss your question- click on start new thread at the top. I am in Kent but not Tonbridge, have heard good things about the non grammar state schools in Tonbridge though. We went through all this last year, it is very stressful if you are not happy with the alternative schools- but we are in East Kent where there is a lot more poverty and the alternative schools have under 20% children passing maths and english at GCSE. 25% of children pass Kent grammar test so it is doable- just not a great system as all based on one test. There is a thread on eleven plus 2023 which you could look at - lots of great advice.

PreplexJ · 22/07/2023 13:03

Prep yourself in state primary, save the money for a good secondary private school.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page