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Checking if a number is prime

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Underhiseye2 · 29/11/2020 14:00

When checking if a number is prime, is it enough to rule it out of being in any of the 2 to 10 times tables?

Do you need to check 11 too? If not, why not?

I assume you don't need to check 12 because that's 2 x 6. But would you need to check 13 too.. head hurting!

Hoping someone can explain the reasoning to me, thank you!

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Underhiseye2 · 29/11/2020 14:04

Even after i wrote that I realise that you would have to keep going.

The number we have to check is 1009.

It's not in the 2-12 times tables. How would I prove there are no factors?

This is y5 maths btw.

Thank you

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RancidOldHag · 29/11/2020 14:14

Short homework answer is that you cheat and use a list like this one

www.mathsisfun.com/numbers/prime-numbers-to-10k.html

And yes it's prime

I might be wrong about this, but a number that ends in 9 will be prime if it is not divisible by 3, so that is probably the check they are looking for.

eddiemairswife · 29/11/2020 15:26

49 isn't prime. Neither is 119.

BluebellsGreenbells · 29/11/2020 15:29

I would also look at the 3, you know it’s not an even number, so 3 would be next

You can rule out 5 as it doesn’t end in 5 or 0

That only leaves 7 and 9

Neither work

So it’s a prime number

GreyishDays · 29/11/2020 15:31

But if it was 13x13 then that wouldn’t be caught by that or would it?

GlowingOrb · 29/11/2020 15:44

You know it’s not even
You know it’s not a multiple of 3 1+0+0+9 = 10
You know it’s not a multiple of 5
So if it’s not prime, it’s a multiple of two prime numbers. You can start checking those and I’d check some of them, but for year 5 math I don’t think they are really expecting that the student manually rule out every potential combination by hand so at that point I would check a chart.

SquishSquashSqueeze · 29/11/2020 15:49

For numbers divisible by 3, add the digits together. Repeat until you're left with a single number. If it's 3, 6 or 9, it's divisible by 3

E.g.

27 2+7=9
165 1+6+5=12 1+3=3
563451 5+6+3+4+5+1=24 2+4=6

IMNOTSHOUTING · 29/11/2020 16:32

You need to check whether it's divisible by every prime number until you get above the square root of the number itself.

E.g. If I want to know if 53 is prime I need to check all the prime numbers less than 8 (since we know the square root of 53 is more than 7 and less than 8). So I check 2,3,5,7 and if none go into 53 (which they don't) it's prime.

If I wanted to check whether 123 was prime I'd need to check all prime numbers below 12 so I'd need to check 2,3,5,7,11. I'd find that 3 goes into 123 so it isn't prime.

Remember the tricks if the digit sum is divisible by 3 it's divisible by 3. If the unit digit is even it's divisible by 2. If it ends in 5 or 0 it's divisible by 5.

ErrolTheDragon · 29/11/2020 16:34

There's no shortcut (other than looking up in a table), you need to check all primes below the square root of the number.

(Have they done square roots by yr 5?)

www.planetmath.org/howtofindwhetheragivennumberisprimeornot

IMNOTSHOUTING · 29/11/2020 16:35

So for your example you have the number 1009. I can see that 33*33 is 1089 so I only need to check primes below 33.

I can see instantly it's not divisible by 1,3,5, To check 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31 I would simply have to divide each one and see if it's divisible. Tedious but won't actually take too long.

eddiemairswife · 29/11/2020 16:36

If alternate digits add up to 11 or a multiple of 11 it is divisible by 11.

Ifailed · 29/11/2020 16:37

it's easy, just use Fermat’s Little Theorem for a number below 10^10.

for larger numbers use Primes is in P, an unconditional deterministic polynomial-time algorithm.

GetTheGoodLookingGuy · 29/11/2020 16:59

To check if 1009 was divisible by 11, I would think that 11x100=1100, and then work back from there. So 1100-99 is 1001, so 1009 is not a multiple of 11.

Underhiseye2 · 29/11/2020 18:28

Thank you!

are there any other rules like that for other numbers? this homework is all about digital roots

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Underhiseye2 · 29/11/2020 18:35

sorry, my reply was for RancidOldHag

I've only just noticed the other replies.

I like yours, IMNOTSHOUTING

and thank you for the reminder about Fermat's Little theorem ifailed !

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