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Teacher suspects SEN

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Zozo1990 · 23/12/2019 06:06

My duaghter started full time Reception year in Feburary 2019 when she just turned 5. Prior to this she was going part time to reception class, 4 days a week and going in at 11am until 3.20pm (hometime).

Since she started part time in September (because she found it hard to settle) EYFS lead and deputy head said she could come in at 11 as the mornings were overwhelming her. Fast forward to the first parents evening in November, the teacher literally had no work exmaples to show me that my DD had done. She further said I have no idea what progression has been made because you brong her in at 11 am and all I can tell you is she can count to 10. I was so shocked. I said to what do you mean I bring her in at 11?? This is what your EYFS lead and head have suggested! And I have requested she go 4 days a week to ease her in. She then said well are not aware of this, all the staff in reception always roll their eyes and say DD is not in again or is late again. I was fuming. I said to her so you are saying basically you have no teaching plan in place for my daughter and hence no work has been done with her? I also said regarldess if whether a child is part time or full time, there should be a learning plan in place!! She then said of course I agree we would have had a learning ppan in place but this was not cummincated to us. My DD was given spellings and reading books prior to this that were checked intermittently, not every week as they shiuld have been! I complaoned to the HT, she apologised and aaid this is not the level if teaching we expect at this school. Suddenly that teacher was gone after Christmas break. Come Feburary my DD started full time with a new teacher. This teacher kept asking us to practice writing which we did every day even though I had just had an emregency section and a newborn. My duaghter started real phonics lesrning and writing then! And when she finished reception her report said she was meeting all her expectations.

Now she is in Y1 with a teacher who I feel doesn't know or interact with my duaghter. My duaghter is behind her peers bevause she didn't attend their nursery and started full time in Feb and prior to that they failed her hence why they got rid of that teacher! I approached this teacher in Nov this year and asked for intervention as I was concerned my dd kept saying she doesn't udnerstand some of what is being tuaght in class and I asked the teacher why my DD is getting reading books and homework that is beyond her level (she is band yellow) and it seems ti me there is no differentiation. The teacher said ok I will look into it and she said bevause she had been off for about 2.5 weeks at the beginning of term that she is just getting to know the pupils now. I said but it's mid Nivember!! My dd should have had intervemtion earlier on. The following week on parents evening she ssid yes she is behind but there are other children further behind too and she loves to learn so we will try to give her targeted homework rsther than the general work she is getting now and we will discuss every Friday her progress. I tried to catch her for meetings to get updates on DD's progress but she would say next Monday or I have a meeting, etc. Fast forward 3 weeks afyer parents evening when there is pupil progression updates going on at school she said to me she is very concer ed my DD has SEN because she is on phase 3 phonics and isn't blending and always needs prompting when doing independent work and she seems to remember one day but forgets the next day what we did. She said the reception teacher also agrees.

I said to her but of course she would be behind when all the children in school have come up from Nursery and the school did no real work with her from sept til Feb. She said that doesn't matter. I don't know how to help her and I am referring her to the SENCO! We went to the HT the same day and said hiw can she say 3 weeks prior she is behind but there are others also behind and now she has potention sen issues? None if this was flagged up last year and how can she have met her eyfs goals?? The HT looked perturbed because quite clearly it all doesn't stack up. It's spoilt my xmas I'm just so worried. The way she said it was like life is over for my daughter. She said "She is very different to all the other children and her communication doesn't help either." Last year the staff said her communication was very good and has helped her to make friends and voice her feelings when she is upset or unhappy. The HT told us briefly on the last day of school to count with her in 2s, to read stories and get her to recount sequentially what happens, to do activities such as 1 more than 8, 1 mire than 19, to teach her how sentences are formed (capital letters, full stops). I went in at home time that same day and showed him examples if her doing this at home! He was a bit shocked and said can I hold on to these and show the teacher. I said to him I gravely concerned at the competency of your staff and hiw they are assesing my dd! She can count to a 100 and beyond, she count in 5s to a 100 and beyond, she can count in 2s upto 40! She knows capital lettera for the beginning of a sentence and for names if people and countries and she knows they end with a full stop, question mark ir exclamation mark depending in what is said. This is all what we practiced in the reception year and I haven't revised this since. She remembers it! I have made video evidence of this all to show them.

Where she is significantly behind is her phonics and reading and I'm not denting that but that's because they started teaching her in Feb!!! The HT said she will meet us on the first day back ti discuss everything as this all happened on the second last day of term.

Do I go ahead with this SEN assessment if they push it? I am a secondary school maths teacher and I honestly don't see any SEN in my duaghter. I see their failings and inconsistencies for which they applogsed last year but hiw can the teacher dismiss rhe gaps in my DD's learning from reception as not having a detrimental impact on her learning? What would you do? This teacher is newly qualified as well and I know the parenrs as an entire class last year complained about her to the HT.

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Zozo1990 · 23/12/2019 16:54

Thanks for all the replies much appreciated.

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Karwomannghia · 23/12/2019 17:12

The words would be phonetically plausible but not real eg rait choid dight so with vowel phonemes in the middle.

Norestformrz · 23/12/2019 17:38

Zozo they will use unfamiliar words covering all the sounds (and the the different ways they can be represented) taught so far. Often pseudo-words are used to ensure the child is decoding and not relying of memory. The words will have different structure, not just cvc (All the words you mention are cvc) and include words of more than one syllable.

Norestformrz · 23/12/2019 17:40

The words won't all have a medial vowel so you might have cv or vcc words

Zozo1990 · 23/12/2019 17:41

But that is the thing they said she can't blend AT ALL. Not even cvc words! But she clearly can. How on earth have they passed her eyfs as meeting expected targets if she wasn't blending? They have only notoced this at the end of this term? There is something that doesn't stack up.

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Norestformrz · 23/12/2019 17:44

Phase 4 doesn't introduce any new phonemes. It involves decoding words with adjacent consonants at the beginning and end of words is meant to be taught in reception.

Norestformrz · 23/12/2019 17:49

EYFS would require her to read and write simple sentences such as those you've practised with her.

Norestformrz · 23/12/2019 17:52

As others have said there is a huge jump from EYFS expectations to those in KS1.

Starlight456 · 23/12/2019 20:18

It is all quite confusing . However two things ....

Teachers do not diagnose Sen and my Ds has Sen . An angel child in reception but his difficulties became more obvious as he went through school the higher the expectations the more obvious it became.

BackforGood · 23/12/2019 21:18

What @FainaSnowChild said on P1.

Children can have all sorts of different difficulties. Not even all directly academic. Social difficulties can cause huge difficulties for children trying to access education. Some dc can appear to 'get it' (whatever they are working on / learning at the time) and then not be able to retain it. Some dc can learn one skill or how to achieve at one task, but then not be able to generalise it.

Clearly your dd was displaying difficulties from when she first started school, if she was not only on a reduced timetable, but such odd times for that reduced timetable. You yourself have talked about how her anxieties 'overwhelmed' her.
I'm not sure why you are now sounding surprised that her Yr1 teacher is also raising concerns about her progress.
Yes, you can meet EYFS expectations and be lower than "expected" level in Yr1 expectations, as they are different curricula and don't measure the same things.
It is also very common for dc to do something in one environment and not another.
Why are you so angry at the idea that your dd might have some barrier to her learning ?
Why would you 'report to DfE and to OFSTED, rather than trying to get to the bottom of it with the school ?

TwoOddSocks · 23/12/2019 22:34

I think what @BackforGood said is great. Some kids with processing issues can't reproduce what they do at home at school due to the noisy environment or social issues causing them too much stress. If anything I think social or sensory issues are even more important to address than purely academic ones. You seem to acknowledge that she had fairly significant issues with anxiety and settling into school.

Norestformrz · 24/12/2019 06:20

I agree with Back, it's significant that your daughter found it difficult to settle and was overwhelmed by mornings. There's obviously an issue that needs to be identified in order to provide support your daughter.

Russell19 · 24/12/2019 06:44

OP have you looked at the year 1 curriculum and expectations? You keep saying about counting in maths etc. but they are expected to do way more than this. Fractions, addition, subtraction, sharing, time so much more. As a maths teacher surely you know if she is on track to be doing those things independently and in a test scenario by July?

With regard to her reading and blending it seems like you are testing her individual words. Great for practice but can she pick up her yellow book and blend to read the sentences? I'd focus on that. Again, surely you know so much more is required than sequencing events verbally?

Do you have your child's learning journey from reception? This will.show you the standard they were working at. Assessment in EYFS can be very different to KS1.

I agree with PPs that you seem to be taking this as a personal attack and are quite defensive. You need to change the mindset into a positive one, the school are trying to move forward and help your daughter with specialist support.

Awkward1 · 24/12/2019 09:05

The school seem particularly bad at logging progress, communication etc.
Is she Aug or Feb?

In yr r they can cover all A-Z letters by oct half term so she would missed most of that as it's in the morning, our Maths was on Fri too.

It's a concern they didnt realise you were doing specific hours, although you dont need to send until after 5 anyway. It doesnt mean stuff wont be missed.
I dont think they need sen help yet. First you need to agree on what she can/cant do.
If she can blend she should quickly be able to move up the book bands.
Which books do they use?

Smurf123 · 24/12/2019 09:15

School don't sound great but I'd let the sen referral go through. School will put her in a list to be seen by Ed pysch.. It could take over a year for referral and ultimately if they are no concerns by the time the appointment comes around it could be cancelled

Zozo1990 · 24/12/2019 11:50

She was born 30th Aug. Whilst she cried at drop off's quite intensely and would try to run out of class to come get me she did settle down within 2 weeks and was fine. All the staff told me it was normal behaviour and not to worry as they have had children do this in nursery frequently and aometimes reception when children start new at the school. She made friends and talks to all off her peers and has made older friends too in the playground so I had no concerns in this regard. I didn't know bulk of the learning was in the morning. I'm not a primary school teacher and went along with the eyfs lead and HT. They never said she needs to come in earlier. In fact I asked them myself can I start sending her in at normal times and a full 5 days and they said it was up to me.

I have been very involved with the school in their weekly coffee mornings, summer fete, cooking for xmas party last year and also I have helped make graduation constumes for the class last year. I have a good relationship with the new staff that were replaced, things were sour with the old reception staff but the school replaved them and the new staff were really helpful. But there is a massive failing that shouldn't have occured in reception never mind once again in yr 1. There has been no intervention in place until I requested in Nov and the teacher had no idea my dd wasn't blending. There are failings here no matter what way you look at it. I have several classes of maths pupils across all abilities and years in secondary school and a level students, I would have picked up aby "SEN" issues esrlier, this is a class of 21/22 pupils how could no extra support have been put in place earlier, it's unbelievable. These are massive failings and not about me being defensive. I am the one who has requested help for her, I was the one who noticed her being behind not the teacher!

I have looked at the y1 curriculum and maths my dd is already reaching end of year targets but they are saying she can't do reception targets. The HT said she was also confused and would look into why this is being said as I showed her video evidence of her doing the basic stuff the teacher said she can't do. It's all very confusing for me as a parent and the communication is abysmal.

She is behind in phonics and reading and that's the main cocnern for me and that is what I requested extra help for.

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Russell19 · 24/12/2019 15:43

I'm not saying you're lying about her doing things but as a teacher I have had so many parents say 'but they can do that at home' and they simply can't do it independently.

I'm sure the teacher isn't saying this for fun, there is obviously something in it.

Norestformrz · 24/12/2019 16:25

These are the type of things she would be expected to do independently in maths

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Zozo1990 · 24/12/2019 17:05

Yes, she can do those. She could do the middle one since mid March last year.

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Zozo1990 · 24/12/2019 17:08

And the last sheet too since last year.

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Norestformrz · 24/12/2019 18:03

She has no difficulty reading the questions

danni0509 · 24/12/2019 18:26

It's ridiculous what's expected of 5 and 6 year olds! Ridiculous.

reefedsail · 24/12/2019 18:50

OP you seem so angry with the school. A lot of your ire seems to be focused on the start of your DD's education having been a bit of a dog's dinner- but you yourself played a significant part in this requesting PT etc.

This is what you know: your DD isn't coping well in the school environment.
Evidence: she didn't settle well initially and now she seems to be able to demonstrate much more complex skills at home than at school.

Your question needs to be 'why is she finding the school environment difficult?'

Ditch all the blaming and anger. Work with the school to find out the answer to that question.

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