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Altrincham Secondary Schools

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united4ever · 13/03/2019 14:39

Ok, so not sure if my son will pass entrance exam for Boys Grammar (but he might)....what's the next best choice? Thinking of Wellington since it's closest but North Cestrian is not much further (There is no entrance exam or fees I understand?). Then there is Sale Grammar but probably too far and wouldn't get in.

I heard good things about Wellington Road but the Ofsted is only 'Good'....my son is well above average in his primary school based on the recent parents evening so would like him to really develop at his next school.

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troppibambini · 13/03/2019 14:49

Where do you live?
It's all dependant in catchment unless you are in catchment for Wellington you won't get in.
Sale is an excellent grammar but still hard to get into.
Are you religious? Ambrose take some non catholic's.
I've not heard great things about north ces, but given time it could be a good school.

troppibambini · 13/03/2019 14:50

Sorry just seen you're close to Wellington, go and have a look round I think it's the best way to get a feel for the school.

FunnyTinge · 13/03/2019 14:58

A few thoughts:
Wellington is a big school, and has an 'authoritarian' feel (similar to Alty boys in feel).
ACA is smaller and less stuffy (in my opinion).
Sale Grammar felt much more relaxed than AGSB - if your lad passes the Sale 11+ he would get a place, but it's down to you whether the commute is an issue.
North Cestrian is still finding its feet, I know kids who like it, kids who don't.
I don't know anything about St Ambrose or BTH (the catholic schools).

As per PP - please go to the open days and get a 'feel' for the schools. Good luck to your son in the 11+ exams!

united4ever · 13/03/2019 15:24

Thanks, not religious although my son does go to a church of england primary....so I guess that doesn't help with the St Ambrose or BTH.....didn't fancy BTH too much anyway but will have a look at Ambrose to see if getting in as a non catholic is a possibility though we are a couple of miles north of there so maybe a long shot and a painful commute also. ACA is 1.5 miles away but fairly horrible commute so would rather not.

Yeah, Wellington are taking in 244 kids just for year 7....That alone is not that much less than his entire primary school so would be a real shock but they have to grow up sometime. It does seem like the obvious choice to be fair - 10 minute safe walk, and good but not outstanding school. I am quite keen on the idea of him being able to walk to school....North Cestrian is also walkable.

I am not too put off by 'authoritarian' he has never had behaviour problems and I would hope that would mean that classes don't get ruined so much by disruptive kids but reading the ofsted report it did say this did happen.....I don't know. It's a minefield. Yes, will go and have a look.

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FunnyTinge · 13/03/2019 15:42

Most non-selective schools have their share of 'disruptive' kids to be fair (actually, the selective schools have them too!), but if your lad is a high achiever you would expect him to be in the top sets after year 7 and for that issue to rarely affect him.

I had a quick check at the most recent Ofsted...improvement needed for disadvantaged kids (not an issue if your DS isn't in that cohort), and a bunch of kids kicking off on the day (bit unlucky!). Seems like a perfectly good school to me...

Monkeymonstermum · 13/03/2019 22:09

Wellington has a fantastic reputation - know people with children there who are delighted. Surprised it’s not outstanding given the locals are so desperate to get in there.
Sale: lots travel from Hale/Alty - know some who’ve got into AGSG/B but chosen to travel to Sale as they wanted co-Ed.
How old is your son?

united4ever · 14/03/2019 10:07

Thanks, all good to hear - my son is 10 in May...so year 5 now.

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CamilleDesmoulins · 15/03/2019 22:29

DD chose Wellington over Sale/ Alty Girls. I was worried we had made a big mistake but she is thriving and happy with her decision.

whiteroseredrose · 15/03/2019 22:58

Depending on where you live Knutsford High is also an option.

From my experience most of the local schools are good. DD has friends at Wellington, Sale Grammar, Knutsford High and North Cestrian. All are getting on well and are happy with their choices.

FWIW if your DS does get into AGSB, we haven't found it authoritarian at all!

jandomain · 01/03/2020 17:40

My girls were both zoned for Alty girls and went to Sale Grammar - very happy. Anyone have any up to date experience of North Cestrian please? Does it have good pastoral team - support etc?

ChezzaY · 01/09/2020 17:55

Hi all,

I am new to Altrincham and have started to work on the secondary school admission procedues for my daughter.

We have targetted Wellington School and my children are very desperate to get in there actually. However, i just discovered, by reading the secondary school admission information pack, that living close alone could not get a student a place at its grade 7, not even close to it, as it could only allocate a place until category 3 (children of staff, and not even ALL in category 3!).
Living super close could only get one into the top of the list in category 4, while we can't do anything to get higher than that basically.

Here are my questions:
(1) As I can only get information for this particular school year, might I know if it has been like that every single year, or it was only occasional?
(2) Do you know anyone who could so luckily get admitted from category 4 (just by living close to the school, no siblings in school, no parent working in there, etc.) in recent years?
(3) If that is the case for every single year, which other school would you recommend trying instead? (We are actually looking for an accommodation, and would be pretty flexible if we opt for another school, as we will look for a place close enough to the target school to rent instead.)

Hope someone can answer me, as we are so desperately in need for advices!

Thanks a lot!

Gingercat77 · 05/10/2020 17:59

As I understand it Wellington has only
Introduced sibling priority this year (so for Sept 21 entry). Prior to that those in catchment without siblings were equal with sibling children. Now you have a situation where the sibling of an existing pupil who lives 1.5 miles away would get preference over a child living next door to the school. I'm not sure why they've introduced the new criteria this year but it significantly affects my child (no sibling) as we're close to the boundary of offers from last year (1.17 miles away).

I'm not sure what else you can do other than research and choose other options and hope lots of local children pass grammar school entrance exams which will take the pressure off!

Africa2go · 05/10/2020 23:09

@Gingercat77 I think 1.17 miles would be too far away even without the sibling policy, it's been less than that for the last couple of years - I've been monitoring it closely as we were looking at it too. Think it was 1.05 miles last year and 1.09 I think this year. My DD (now Y7) had quite a few friends who all wanted Wellington and quite a few missed out on distance.

Smellycat2123 · 08/01/2021 03:33

Former North Cestrian Grammar School - Talk about scum with money!

As an old student, it is interesting to see the recent architectural improvements made to the school since I was a student here, however, I hope the main improvements made since becoming a free school will be the school’s culture and Hamlin Trust (Hamlin Centre and Learning Support Unit).

Many of the secondary schools in Altrincham are public and therefore exclusive, North Cestrian Grammar School was advertised to my family as being a small and nurturing environment which offered the safety of a Learning Support Unit, which with my Statement as a person with an invisible disability, would mean I could have a safety net to ensure a good school experience and decent education.
The reality turned out to be, NCGS was an elitist, backwards institution, where a strong culture of bullying and disability discrimination were practised daily, in both the classroom (by students) and playground by the majority of students in this small place, where the teachers never efficiently acknowledging or dealing with this problem.

At the time, many of the school governors seemed to be the parents of the school’s worst behaved and most vicious, spoilt, bullying students; with Ofsted kept away until becoming a free school, this environment was the normal for many, many years.

Also, many of the teaching assistants in the Hamlin were young and un-qualified to help students with special needs in the way that they needed, as in help in coping and managing their environments. (this only changed and improved as the school got closer to becoming a free school).

In my second year, I was bullied by my peers due to my disability. I began to increasingly become anxious, feeling unsafe outside of the controlled environments of the classroom, I would spend my breaks and lunchtimes hiding in the toilets until the next lesson or end of lunch. As a student with a SN statement, I asked the T.A’s if I could eat lunch in the Hamlin centre like the other SN students did, but I was turned away with ‘That’s not your privilege, so you shouldn’t even be asking’. They might as well have told 12-year-old me to f* off. Even with my parent’s intervention, the head of learning support and the T. A’s continued to refuse my access to learning support, whilst lying to my parents, pretending that I hadn't asked.

It was only after spending many months in the toilets, going without lunch daily, that when I became friends with a student who ate in the Hamlin, I was granted access (only so this student would be obedient).
I spent the majority of my time at NCGS being ostracized, ignored by teachers, physically assaulted, and bullied because of my disability.
The people who sent their kids to ncgs were scumbags with money, not all the money in the world could make their worthless, disgusting waste of life offspring decent, given phones and access to the internet at too young an age, and oh I forgot to mention, they loved to cyberbully as well!

After the T.A’s granted access to a student that actually bullied and intimidated me within the Hamlin Centre and under the teaching assistants’ noses, I had enough, and left the school in year 11 and had to take my exams at home, teaching myself at home for the year.

Luckily for me, my statement was actually used at college, I experienced a nurturing and safe environment where those with special needs would never be discriminated against, and I loved college, and thanks to college, I now go to University, studying a subject I’m passionate about.
I am writing this review so parents with disabled or autistic children looking for a good school to send their children to will know, that despite NCS having the reputation of a former ‘private grammar school’ in the suburbs, this was a guise, which allowed an outdated culture of elitism and supremacy to exist, which greatly impacted the experience and confidence of students with special needs.
I think the Hamlin centre suffered from incompetent management, which can easily be fixed; the concept is a good one if done right, and other schools should have learning support units.

TCMcK · 25/01/2021 22:35

Hi, I know this is quite an old thread but I am looking for information about St Ambrose. My son is only in year 3. How difficult is it to get into? Would you recommend the school? I have a daughter who goes to Loreto so I am familiar with how it works. Thank you 😊

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