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Are catholic school best than normal ones?

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matro87 · 20/11/2018 22:59

Hello to everyone my daughter will start reception next September and we are looking for a right school to her! Our choice is to send her in a catholic school as we know are the best but they are really the best??? I mean, why we suppose the faith school are best than normal?what are the different? What we have to look at when we will choose a school??
Thank you

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PickAChew · 20/11/2018 23:01

Are you Catholic? It tends to be a requirement.

Some are better, some aren't. Look for OFSTED reports and news articles about the schools in your area. I think you'll find the odd Google review, too.

HoleyCoMoley · 20/11/2018 23:02

Are you Catholic yourselves. Why do you think they are better and what is a normal school.

JoyceDivision · 20/11/2018 23:05

Well get cracking, our local auth, poss all? require applications online to be completed mid Jan. So you have approximately 2 months to thoroughly investigate if the faith school are best. Is that going to be any faith though?

JoyceDivision · 20/11/2018 23:07

...so if your daughter starts reception in September and it's very easy mportant you pick the best school surely you would have looked into it before now? It's hardly been sprung on you as a suprise you needed to think about schools.

Sorry, seems goady.

cantkeepawayforever · 20/11/2018 23:09

Catholic schools will tend to have 'practising Catholic', often 'child baptised before 6 months' as entrance criteria, so unless you tick those boxes, you may not gain admission even if you apply.

Are they better? Essentially, any school that imposes any form of selection or barrier to entry will tend to have slightly higher results than a school serving the same area / socio-economic mix which does not operate any form of selection.

This is because even 'non ability based' selection criteria such as faith (evidenced by e.g. church attendance) selects AGAINST chaotic families, poorly-housed families or those who move rapidly between a series of temporary housing solutions, Traveller families, refugee families, families in which parents are iliterate or have no spoken or written English, families wgho are poorly informed about ghow the school system works etc.

Thus, on average, the families of the children who DO get in are slightly more educated, slightly more organised, slightly more literate, slightly more stable - and that has an effect on final academic results.

Catholic schools do tend to have more PP and EAL families than other 'schools that have some form of selection', but even so they will tend to be 'better' because they operate a form of selection within the local socio-economic mix, not because they are better schools.

matro87 · 20/11/2018 23:10

@JoyceDivision we have moved in uk a few time ago so for us is everything new!

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Pinkyyy · 20/11/2018 23:10

I'm not sure why you'd say a Catholic school is better? Unless of course, you are Catholic. They practice Mass and sing hymns so technically if you are of that religion they are better.

BikeRunSki · 20/11/2018 23:13

Firstly - just checking - that you know that school applications need to be in by 15(?) Jan 2019, for Sept 2018 entry ?

Secondly, why do you think Catholic schools are superior to others? Have you looked at the Ofsted report for the school? Whet is local opinion/reputation? Do you know anyone with children already there? Have you visited?

Are you Catholic? Does the school reserve places fior non-Cstholics? How would you feel if your child came home talking about Christianity and Catholicism thinking it applied to them?

matro87 · 20/11/2018 23:13

Yes we are catholic and our daughter is baptised! We moved in uk just a few time ago. I don't know if the faith school are the best but everyone told me this but I am wondering why! The ofsted report pretty much in my area is the same, i know the ofsted report in not all point to considering!

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matro87 · 20/11/2018 23:17

@cantkeepawayforever thank you for your replay! Very useful and with a lot of interesting point

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Didiusfalco · 20/11/2018 23:19

The catholic school I work at isn’t. The kind of area it is in means that it has a low % of practising Catholics and therefore what cantkeep is saying, which is a good point, doesn’t apply. Take each school on its individual merits but bear in mind that the selection criteria for a very good Catholic school probably won’t work in your favour if you aren’t Catholic.

Didyeeaye · 20/11/2018 23:27

The Catholic schools in my area are better imo. They have smaller class sizes and the HMIE inspections seem to be better.

needsanewname · 20/11/2018 23:33

Completely depends on the area but in our village there are 3 schools, a catholic, CofE and a non-faith, the catholic school outperforms the others in every single area.

needsanewname · 20/11/2018 23:33

I meant it depends on the school, not the area!

Hersetta427 · 21/11/2018 10:11

Just because its Catholic doesn't automatically make it better. We have 4 outstanding schools in our town. One Catholic, one CofE and 2 normal community schools. Maybe it's best to catholic people but others wouldn't choose a catholic education if you paid them. Different schools for different people. if you are catholic and want a religious education then of course it will be best.

BottleOfJameson · 21/11/2018 11:33

When you introduce any level of selection (either on religion or postcode etc) it does tend to create inequality as more savvy parents, parents who have more money and hence flexibility and parents who are very invested in their child's education suss out which school is best and find a way of getting their child in. You then have a school with high proportions of children who from day one are more likely to achieve (because they've been read to at home, have parents that stress the importance of education etc.) so the divide between the schools increase (without the "better" school necessarily offering anything better in teaching terms than the others).

Nat6999 · 21/11/2018 12:11

Don't send your child to a Catholic school if you aren't a practicing Catholic, I chose a Catholic school for my DS as it was graded as the best school in the area, both myself & DS were treated appallingly by the staff & other parents simply because I decided to end my marriage. From the moment news filtered around that I was getting divorced we were both ostracized, DS wasn't invited to birthday parties, nobody spoke to us, the playground would go silent when I walked in, parents actually turned their backs on us, one parent went to court as a witness for my ex that I wasn't a fit parent, I had simply left an abusive marriage, not murdered anyone.

Moominmammacat · 21/11/2018 13:50

Why would you want to isolate your child from people of different faiths?

matro87 · 21/11/2018 14:05

@Moominmammacat absolutely not! One of our favourite school is not a faith school and we love just because is multicultural! I wrote this post because I had this curiosity about the difference between faith school and no faith school

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matro87 · 21/11/2018 14:08

@Nat6999 I am so sorry about your situation! It was unfair 😔

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Rachelover40 · 21/11/2018 14:08

Catholic schools are normal schools!

You have to look at individual schools, some will be better than others. We have a Catholic comprehensive and sixth form college near us and people queue up and jump through hoops to get their kids into them! They are very good - but there are other schools equally as good.

So have a look at the school and a couple of others, then weigh up the pros and cons.

chocorabbit · 21/11/2018 14:15

I remember reading here years ago that faith schools are not necessarily better but proving church attendance means that the family are able to wake up early in the morning, have breakfast, have ironed their good clothes etc i.e. they are organised and not a chaotic family but more the family who will get involved their child's education, study, read to them, put them to sleep early etc.

Oblomov18 · 21/11/2018 14:17

Catholic schools round here are excellent, but then so are most schools. They do have a high % of travellers, low income, SN and other problems aswell though.

Nat6999 · 21/11/2018 14:26

matro87 It was the biggest mistake to send my DS to a Catholic school, the staff were awful to both of us, DS was badly bullied throughout his time there, the school did nothing to protect or help him, he is autistic, when we got a diagnosis he was 9, I took the diagnosis report in to hand to the SENCO & she binned it, despite complaining constantly for 2 years, he never got any help or support. Whenever I went in school I was made to feel as if I wasn't doing my best for DS because I was a single parent. This supposedly outstanding school spent so much time teaching religion that other subjects lost out, 25% of teaching time was used for religious education, the amount of pupils that had to have outside tuition was disgusting. If I had my time again I wouldn't send DS to a faith school, he would have been better off at an average non faith school.

W0rriedMum · 21/11/2018 19:22

This thread is like asking if schools are better when the uniform is red.. All schools are different so do your homework where you live!

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