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Have a question for primary teachers

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Harleyisme · 04/10/2018 17:48

Ds is in reception is doing phonic sounds. He has homework to go though letters and tick off the sounds. He gets s and a but when we get to t he does the t action but says the sound as st st. Also when i point to a letter he will go though all the sounds hes learnt in the order hes learnt them so when i point to t he will go s s s a a a st st st so its not obvious hes actually picking up which letter is connected to the sound. Ds is also suspected asd and has had speech i dont know if the st for t is him struggling to pronounce the sound and if so would this then be right but then he would struggle with blending because it wouldn't sound right. I have been using the app teach my monster to read with him hes getting though the levels but you can see hes guessing them all even s and a. Any advice would be great.

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typoqueen · 04/10/2018 22:41

Not a teacher, but helped for 2 years in reception class, he might be doing it right because as well as doing phonics they do DIGRAPH phonics which is the 2 letter make one sound ie ... st as in stop they also do TRIGRAPH phonics 3 letters one sound ie....ear as in near, all very confusing, have a quick work with his teacher and there are lots of youtube videos explaining and showing phonics, digraphs and trigraphs :)

PurpleDaisies · 04/10/2018 22:48

Can he make a “t” sound if you model it for him and try and get him to copy? If you give him with a word with a “t” first (tap etc) what happens? I’d flag it with school.

I don’t understand your post at all typo. I am a primary teacher.

PurpleDaisies · 04/10/2018 22:50

he might be doing it right because as well as doing phonics they do DIGRAPH phonics which is the 2 letter make one sound

What digraphs do you think are present in “sat”?

Welshmaiden85 · 04/10/2018 22:54

Sounds like he has got a bit confused. Teach your monster to read goes very quickly through it all. Most children’s will need a LOT of repetition. Make some big A4 cards with the letters he has been taught and hide them about, the. Get him to run to the right letter, cut food in the shape of a letter and practise saying, play games where you have to jump on the letter when you say the sound (like twister!). Just lots of repetition and fun practise.

Welshmaiden85 · 04/10/2018 22:54

Sorry ignore typos, typing from under a baby!

Ohyesiam · 04/10/2018 22:55

It could be his learning style.
My son could not read by blending sounds for MONTHS , then all of a sudden he was fluent.
Same with maths. I did 2x table with him for literally 8 months daily.
We did it with smarties, we ran around doing it we chanted it , sung it . He never got past 3 x2 = 6. I was so worried.
Then one day he knew it up to 12x2. Literally one day to the next.

It’s just how his brain works.

LooksLikeImStuckHere · 04/10/2018 23:03

If you google speech sound production chart, it will show you that actually being able to say that sound can take some children up until the age of 7 so you don’t need to panic too much yet.

I would definitely talk to his teacher and say that you are concerned. Is there an issue with his speech in general or is it just that he struggles to form the individual sounds?

Has his hearing been tested? If he had glue ear for example, it would delay both his social communication as well as his speech and language development.

LooksLikeImStuckHere · 04/10/2018 23:06

Sorry, just re read your OP and seen that you mention he also has speech problems. And that it’s /t/ he can’t do, not /s/. Sorry, brain not engaged Blush

Has he been seen by an SLT?

April2018mom · 04/10/2018 23:36

What’s his learning style? Visual, auditory or hands on learner?. Try finding a reading specialist or make up games to play to teach reading skills. My mom used to give reading lessons at weekends for neighbor hood children. It definitely helped somewhat.

PurpleDaisies · 04/10/2018 23:37

What’s his learning style? Visual, auditory or hands on learner?

Those were debunked years ago.

Yellowsunredroses · 04/10/2018 23:39

I’d def get his hearing checked out

Norestformrz · 05/10/2018 05:27

"he might be doing it right because as well as doing phonics they do DIGRAPH phonics which is the 2 letter make one sound" I'm afraid st isn't a digraph it's two sounds that just happen to be adjacent and shouldn't be taught as a complete unit.

OP it sounds as if it's a speech or hearing issue. Can he say top tip tap etc without adding the /s/ sound? If he can it suggests it's how he's hearing the sound.the correct sound /t/ needs to be constantly reinforced.
Can he blend sounds together and hear the words? /s/ /a/ /t/ ?

LooksLikeImStuckHere · 05/10/2018 07:48

He could benefit from knowing exactly where to form the /t/ as well.
Getting him to ‘stick’ his finger to the roof of his mouth where you make the /t/ sound and then releasing it on repeat will help build up some of the muscles. He won’t be able to see much in a mirror but in really good light, show him where the tongue has to sit in order to make the sound.

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Harleyisme · 05/10/2018 08:07

Sorry it took so long for me to reply. Hes not at the at ths sound st yet its just the t sound. He can say tip tap with out the st sound it just seems to be when saying the t sound.
Hes had a hearing test his hearing is fine. He has SALT he has very mature language and talks very adult if that makes any sense to anyone. Hes isn't blending them any word's together just doing sounds. Hes still on wordless books because he's not able to blend yet.

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steppemum · 05/10/2018 08:26

Does he do them one after another in a list?

I would think he is learning them as a set list, rather than as individual sounds, so he is learning to go
ss
sss aaaa
sss aaa ttt

instead of just going t.

then learn it from a word, eg say tip tap tip tap t t t
so removing the link and connection to the other sounds he is learning.

If he is ASD, he may not find phonics/blending works for him, I know of a couple of kids with ASD who needed to do the old 'look and say' learning

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Harleyisme · 05/10/2018 08:31

I do the learning from a word like i will go t t t tap t t t.
I am wondering if it is speech related as has adult like speech but does have grammaical immaturities his SALT said hes an annomily as he past his pre school kelf assements but still comes across as struggling.
I have a older son who stuggled with phonics and didn't actually manage reading till the years after phonics stopped.

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Harleyisme · 05/10/2018 08:32

It was ment to say the older son has asd.

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Norestformrz · 05/10/2018 21:23

" Hes not at the at ths sound st yet" good because there isn't one.

Naty1 · 05/10/2018 23:22

Jolly phonics app with the songs etc
Or alphablocks app.
Watching alphablocks helped too. (Dd could blend from about 3yo probably from watching it and doing the cbeebies app)

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