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Kids being kids or something to worry about?

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Blou2 · 30/09/2018 22:07

Not sure if this is the right place to post but it relates to school friends so here goes!

DS is in Yr 1. Class of 30 and a multi-form year. He’s been with many of the kids in his class since pre-school and they all moved up together. I do drop-off / pick-up about 50% of the week. I tend to arrive and drop, rarely get there very early. Throughout reception year a larger group of boys that DS was friends with seemed to split into a larger group of 6 or 7 and a smaller group of 3 with DS seeming to play across both groups but with his ‘best friend’ (mostly!) being a boy in the smaller group. DS is very sociable and always asks for play dates. At his request I’ve tried to arrange with some of the boys from the larger group throughout reception year and got nowhere. I also tried to arrange a couple of weekend / school holiday meet ups at organised activities or co-ordinate holiday club attendance but either their mums didn’t reply at all or said they’d let me know if they could make it and what their plans were but didn’t. The mums of all the boys in the larger group seem to have become more and more friendly over the year. The larger group of mums are there 50%+ and always get there early and chat for ages. They get there so early that I sometimes see them in the playground in the morning as I drop DS to breakfast club and they’re always at the front of the pick up line. I find it hard to join their conversations when we are all at the same after school activity once a week. I actually have reached the point of hating going along to it as I feel so isolated. But DS loves it so I carry on for him. I’m not a shy person and I have known a couple of the mums since pre-school and before but the group dynamic makes me feel excluded and at least one of the other mums regularly ignores me when passing at school. She also seems to discourage her child from chatting to mine outside school. She’s also just cut any conversation that my son has tried to make with her at school drop off or pick up too, sometimes quite rudely and with a tone of disinterest. I thought I was being too sensitive at first but it happened too many times for me not to think something is up. I don’t know what the issue is. She is well integrated into the larger group of mums. The boys in the smaller groups have had the odd play date with DS, at our house and at theirs, and their mums are generally friendly but are not at school as much as those in the smaller group, and they also have older children so have made friends with mums in the years above.

The way I see it, if I can be friends with DS’s schoolfriends mums then that’s a bonus. If we can just be polite enough to facilitate play dates between the kids that’s all that really matters. And at our school the kids stay with their class groups until they leave for secondary so having decent relationships with the parents of classmates feels important.

But what is bothering me is that DS has now said twice at least that the boy whose mum often ignores me and makes no effort to continue any conversation I try to start with her, has told my son ‘My mum says you’re a naughty boy. / My mum doesn’t like you.’ Do kids just say this stuff out of nowhere? Or am I right in thinking he’s most likely been given this message, whether directly or subtlety, by his mum. DS says he feels sad that his friend says this to him. Whether true or not, I don’t want this boy saying this about my son within earshot of other children. And if there is a problem with anything my son is doing or an issue between the kids I would like to know to try to resolve it.

What would you do in my shoes? Ignore completely? Wait and see? Speak to the teacher? Speak to the boy’s mum...? 😬

I never thought school age parenting would be so fraught. Maybe I need to get a thicker skin?! But DS. I feel for him and want to stand up for him.

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user789653241 · 30/09/2018 22:48

You say your ds's best friend is in the smaller group, which you say the mums are friendly and had some playdates.

If you want to be included in the larger group of mums who are always there early and chat, you may need to do that too.

Personally, I think if he can have good friendship with his best friends outside of school regardless of his mum is there or not often, it's good enough. I don't see the point of trying to have playdate with everyone, especially parents aren't so keen.

Friendship change over the years, even within the same group of children. And as they get older, parents' influence of choosing friendship will fade. And they start making their own arrangement to meet up soon enough.

Blou2 · 30/09/2018 23:01

Thanks irvine.
That’s useful perspective.
Getting there earlier, probably just to just stand around being ignored - as would happen as it happens at the extra-curricular activity - doesn’t really appeal. But maybe I should try, when I can. It’s not always possible.

What would you think / do about the boy who seems to be saying that his mum doesn’t like my son...?

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user789653241 · 30/09/2018 23:28

How is he at school, is he being naughty?
I think parents wouldn't know what other people's children are like, unless their children tell them, or they work as an volunteer or something.
Just being young and immature and getting into trouble maybe expected for some parents, but some may think they want to avoid their children involved.
I truly don't know. I think it's mean to say things like that, but there are people like that anyway. I would just avoid. It's their loss.

Blou2 · 01/10/2018 07:33

That’s a good point about how would the other parents know what he’s like, even if he is naughty. School haven’t said anything to us to that effect though. No special meetings with the teachers or anything and positive feedback with the usual ‘he can get a bit distracted but that’s typical for this age’ comments.

It’s so demoralising when the kids are being taught to be kind to each other and then parents behave like this!

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glamorousgrandmother · 01/10/2018 07:39

There wouldn't be much point talking to the teacher about something another parent might have said. They will not have any authority over parents, only over what goes on between the children in school. ( I was once asked to solve a dispute over a garden fence the previous evening - nothing to do with school.)

SaltyMyDear · 01/10/2018 07:39

The parent who is ignoring you def thinks your son is trouble.

I would ask the teacher if your child has any behaviour problems at school.

Teachers can play down stuff to parents, while his classmates have gone home and told their parents stuff you no nothing about.

I guarantee your child is being deliberately isolated due to those parents believeing he’s trouble

Blou2 · 01/10/2018 07:49

Thanks for the replies.

He’s 5! How sad if a child is being labelled as ‘trouble’ so young. And for nothing that is so serious that I as his mum have been told about it.

I’m shocked to hear that (some?) teachers give such a false impression to parents. Maybe I’m naive. I want to know if my son has behaviour issues or anything else going on at school that could affect his learning or social interaction.

I was only thinking of mentioning to the teacher in terms of this boy saying these things about my son while at school and in front of other children as surely that is something for the teacher to be aware of and try to deal with?

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glamorousgrandmother · 01/10/2018 07:56

You could certainly talk to the teacher about what the boy said and whether it was true (it's possible the other child invented the whole thing and the mother never said that - it does happen) but she is unlikely to intervene with the parent.

Blou2 · 01/10/2018 08:02

Glamourous, exactly. I have windefied kf

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Blou2 · 01/10/2018 08:04

Ooops! Wriggly baby posted too soon!

Yes, I have wondered if the boy could just be making it all up. But as it’s the boy whose mum acts as she does it does seem plausible that she may have said things to this effect to him.

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HundredsAndThousandsOfThem · 01/10/2018 11:00

Wow that's tricky OP, has the teacher mentioned any issues between the boys? Assuming your DC doesn't have very extreme or violent behaviours I think the other mum is being absurd. There are some naughtier kids in both my DC's classes but I wouldn't discourage them from having friendships (unless there were real issues like bullying involved). We're talking about little children being silly here!

That said there are parents who do go out of their way to try to engineer their children's friendships, either based on their own social lives or prejudices about who might be slightly naughtier than who. At least as they grow children's social lives become far more independent of their parents so it will be less of an issue.

HundredsAndThousandsOfThem · 01/10/2018 11:03

Also kids often come home with tall tales. My friend's DS whenever he was on the dark cloud (i.e. had been naughty and lost some play time) would always go home and say either told me I had to do it or was doing it with me but only I got in trouble or really it was but I got the blame. Luckily his mum asked the teacher who said they're rarely even paired together so certainly wasn't to blame. My friend put her son straight but I do think some parents swallow some tall tales!

user789653241 · 01/10/2018 11:24

School/teacher hasn't said anything to you means even if he was being a bit naughty at times, it's at the expected level for that age. Otherwise, teacher would tell you, surely.

Blou2 · 01/10/2018 11:27

Really hope it is tall tales. Will as the teacher for her assessment of things when I get a chance. Nothing has been mentioned ever in terms of issues with particular boys. In fact, my son and the boy who has been saying these things and whose mum behaves this way is actually grouped with my son for small group work. ?

It’s very hard when he asks ‘Why is X going with Y after school?’ ‘Why can’t I got with Y or have X come round to play’ when I’ve asked more than once, been told X can’t make it and X’s mum has made no effort to rearrange. :(

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Blou2 · 01/10/2018 11:35

irvine, yes that’s what I think.

Maybe I should just feign ignorance to it all and ask the boy in question over to play?! I’ve never dared until now given how his mum is and even thought DS has asked. I’ve only asked a couple of the other boys in that group but have always been turned down.

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user789653241 · 01/10/2018 11:46

I think it's quite difficult when the children are young, and all the arrangement is done with parents. I have a experience of one child saying in front of his parent to me, "Oh I really wish xx can come to my birthday party, can he come next year? Mum said he has other plans." when he wasn't even invited in the first place.(Their face looked really awkward!)

As they grow, there will be less of it. My ds is friends with children with mums I don't even know so well. And my friends' children aren't friends with my ds anymore.

Ledkr · 01/10/2018 11:49

I have to say I had a similar experience at infant school with dd1. I had loads of my own friends but it still hurt to be so ostracised.
Worse stil was the children saying "my mum doesn't like you" etc.
One day I told the teacher and she was really horrified and vowed to put a stop to it and did so (no idea how) so it might be worth a mention.
My other dd is 7and I'm having a totally different experience,nice parents and no nastiness so sometimes it's just bad luck that you get a cliquey group i think.
Just drop and go and get on with your own life Flowers

stepmummamumma · 01/10/2018 11:53

I am putting this out there as a possibility but I promise it is not how I would behave, not do I have these views:

My sister is very careful about who her 5 year old hangs around with and actively encourages friendships with certain children and not others. She does this based on what she has observed about the parents - do they seem to be of a similar 'class' to her, do they dress in a way that reflects a similar background to her, what size of house do they live in, etc etc

If she thinks that the family/parent/child are not in the same level as her and her family then she will discourage a friendship. She had her child change mentor because the mentor did not come from the right kind of background (although she didn't say this to the teacher).

Could it be that she is like this? I know nothing about you, your family or your background so please do not take offence at this post, I am just putting it out there as a possibility....

user789653241 · 01/10/2018 11:56

Cross posted.
Don't know if you should ask other boy for play dates or not , really. You can try, but if it's rejected, you and your ds both feel sad.

Is meeting outside of school with other children so important? Can he join some outside school clubs to make some friends? They will make stronger relationship through those, ime.

Blou2 · 01/10/2018 12:24

DS does do some after school clubs and has friends in the other classes in his year and from other schools. None that we would see other than at these clubs really though.
I actually like the mums of his friends in the other classes a lot more.

I can certainly believe that some people act like your sister does stepmumma. I may discourage DS if I thought a family was somehow a real risk to him (known drug use etc) but we really don’t fit that category or know anyone who does!
Me and DP are both uni and beyond educated ( and at ‘proper’ unis for the people who get snobby about that kind of thing!) and work in professional roles. We are a clean, normal family. We live in a similar / the same area as the mums in question who are a mix of ages (‘young’ and ‘old’ mums who are hairdressers / admin assistants / education and childcare professionals and some of them I have no idea what they do.)
They’re certainly all not law partners, medical consultants, academics or other well paid professionals like many other parents at school. Lots of the latter are actually friendlier!

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Blou2 · 01/10/2018 12:25

Ledkr and irvine - sorry you’ve had this too.

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MrsZB · 01/10/2018 12:30

If I was you I would have a chat with the teacher. Ime what that boy is saying will have come from the parents.

This kind of stuff sucks. I’m really sorry you are going through it.

Don’t invite that boy round though. You are just asking to be rejected. Just focus on the nice mums/kids and have those ones round.

Good luck.

FullOfJellyBeans · 01/10/2018 12:54

There are a group of mums in my eldest's class who have set themselves up as a very exclusive group and deliberately separate themselves off at school events and will pointedly leave other people out. (Obviously other people have friendships with some parents more than others but will all chat and be friendly when at school events).

I'm lucky in that most of them are mums of girls who DS never plays with, there is one poor girl who plays with most of these girls but who's mum hasn't made it into the clique so she's often left out of out of school meet ups etc.

If they've decided their group is too exclusive for you to join (and god knows the reason - maybe because you're not there everyday) there will be no point in trying to infiltrate them. I would just concentrate on encouraging other friendships out of school. I might mention to the teacher about the boy telling DS his he's naughty etc that's very unkind and probably comes from the mum.

Blou2 · 01/10/2018 13:24

I feel a bit reassured and less paranoid now that others agree that the likely source of the boy’s comments is his mum.

I wouldn’t be bothered about play dates myself but DS is always going on about them, probably because he sees other kids in his class, whether in this group, or just generally, being picked up by other parents.

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Luckyme2 · 01/10/2018 13:36

Encourage his friendship with the boys in the smaller group. They (and their mothers) sound much nicer!