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Chandlings School in Oxfordshire

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Himble77 · 11/09/2018 08:16

Moving to Oxford and we are looking at primary Schools for our daughter. Does anyone have any recent views on Chandlings School? It looks amazing but I've heard that there have been chopping and changing the Head role in the last few years and that their enrolments are in free fall. There is an open day coming up on 22 Sept so would be good to know what to ask if anyone has any tips!

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Tulipvase · 11/09/2018 08:19

I think it’s pretty boy heavy, certainly in the older years. I think a lot of the girls move to The Manor in Abingdon.

Depends if that is a positive or negative I guess!

PDT71 · 13/09/2018 15:24

Yes, Tulipvase is right. Y5 and Y6 now have a very limited number of girls as many left 'early' to go to Headington etc.. and avoid doing all the Y6 entrance exams. Well, I think it started like that and then some parents started to worry that their daughter would be the last girl standing if they didn't move. Snowballed. Recently there has been a lot of boys leave though in Y3 & Y4 and they have the reverse issue. Not really sure why but likely the same reason but this time Abingdon perhaps? Easily lost 50 kids this last year overall. Schools that have Junior and Senior aspects all adjusted their Junior to Senior eligibility and this has affected enrolment at Chandlings which hasn't done anything in response. The Manor has also introduced boys now. So competitive all around. The new Head at Chandlings is pretty poor. Very much old school. Leading from the back if leading at all. Not really sure that she likes kids that much and is very awkward in all interactions whether they be kids or parents. Therefore the school is too all intents and purposes run by the Senior Leadership team. It's all a bit smoke and mirrors. All the other staff that I've come into contact are resigned to the fact that they are not involved with decisions or communicated well to. Communications are very poor and have gotten worse through lots of leadership change as you refer to. The enrolment losses have created a bit of paranoia all around I'd say. Deep down it's a good school and the balance on academics-music/drama-sport is very good. Its just very badly run as a business. The Chair of the trust ousted the last Head and then he himself got removed not 9 months later due to the way he handled it by the look of things. Most parents acknowledge all these shortcomings and are willing to largely ignore them so long as their kid(s) are doing ok it doesn't matter. I have a child there and I'm considering moving them due to all of the above. I can't recommend Chandlings fully right now due to the poor leadership and general decision making/business acumen that is being deployed. Yes, the emphasis should be on providing a good nurturing learning environment but this is only sustainable if the financial stack up. Losing 50 kids in one year is c.£500k. At what point do cuts kick in... Also seen a large increase in Asian families (China esp.). The School has a great multi-cultural composition and this is a major plus. However, there a lot of parents that can't communicate in English unless their child is there as an interpreter. The School isn't set up for this but is taking the money as they need bums on seats. Look at the Manor I would say.

FionaOD56 · 12/03/2019 11:14

My perception is that the school has settled down a lot in the last couple of years and that there are more new pupils than leavers. I don’t listen to that much gossip about what’s going on in the staff room but I find the head engaging and the senior team all seem good. Most importantly, I haven’t yet had a teacher for either of my kids who hasn’t been excellent and, although I haven’t had any big issues, the reputation for pastoral care is v.g. I have a daughter in year 5 and a done in year 3 and we are going nowhere.

Oystercatcher2 · 14/03/2019 21:47

I recommend OLA (Our Lady’s Abingdon). My children went to the Junior School and now are at the Senior School. We moved them there from a prep school and haven’t looked back. It’s a really nice, very happy school and they care about the children. My kids are very happy and are doing well academically.

The marketing and website need a bit of a boost, but the school itself is great.

WhyAmIPayingFees · 15/03/2019 22:24

I’m a bit shocked by some of the comments about the newish head. We dealt with her for many years in her previous role as Head of Cokethorpe Junior and while we did not always see eye to eye I had a lot of respect for her. Her move was Chandlings gain and Cokethorpe’s loss. Complaining about the presence of Chinese kids seems to me be ludicrous and potentially racist. Those kids are often from highly aspirational families and it is a good sign that they are sending their kids to the school.

Chemlover · 18/02/2020 17:02

From their website it looks like it is a nice school.
Just as a matter of curiosity, why some people are concern about mixed primary schools? Or if there are more boys than girls or vice-versa? I really don't like the idea of either all-boys or all-girls school, maybe because of my background.
I attended a private Catholic primary in Italy and it was a mixed school, I really enjoyed that, I believe I would have struggled in an all-girls school, because I have never been a "girly girl"

Would anyone recommend Chandlings Prep? The ISI report is very good.
Is OLA very Catholic? I mean, do they tell children that if you do certain things you will go to hell? It happens in a lot of Catholic private schools in Italy, for example. I am just curious, because OLA seems a very nice school too.

Thanks!

Gardengate05 · 04/08/2020 10:45

It used to be a good school, but there seem to be problems with the Cothill trust who run the school (one of their other schools just closed) and as a result there has been a massive policy change to maximise profit. They are now aiming for 20 in every class, rather than the small personalised teaching previouly. They offered voluntary redundancy to their teachers and have lost many of the best ones. The school management failed to give adequate notice of these change to parents and then Mrs Cook refused to meet with the parents as a group to address concerns, instead palming them off with individual meetings with other members of the school management. There is overwhelming parental unhappiness at the school and I would advise talking to a parent at the school before considering it.

newtooxon · 09/09/2020 13:39

Is anyone on here a parent a Chandlings that could elaborate on what Gardengate05 has said? We are moving to the area later this year looking for a nurturing school with smallish classes for our son to start reception in 2021 and Chandlings had been high on our list....

Lemon99 · 20/09/2020 21:09

I’d also be really keen to hear from any more current parents, I have a little boy who we’re looking for a private primary for in/close to oxford.

Overwhelming parental unhappiness sounds less than ideal... a shame as otherwise the school seemed to fit the bill in terms of facilities/pastoral/co-ed/balance between academics/extra curriculars. Also noticed that admissions/scholarships to Magdalen/Abingdon have really dropped off in 2020, wonder what reasons behind this are....

Any insights would be incredibly helpful xx

Guymere · 21/09/2020 15:29

The two senior schools you mentioned are very competitive and academic suiting more academic children.

My DCs prep had no admission criteria which resulted in a few cohorts not getting the very high number of scholarships and top flight schools that other years attained. The drop in DC going to the top schools nearby is a reflection of the abilities of DC in the school and parental choice. There’s quite a big choice of schools in and around Oxford but Magdalen, in particular, is hugely academic. If lots of DC have left the school it could be the more academic DC are in other preps?

Lemon99 · 21/09/2020 16:12

Yes good point @Guymere- but how on earth do you tell if a 3 year old is going to be an academic teenager? Is there switching of pre-prep schools if parents feel their child is more/less academic as they grow up? Or do you just hope that most schools will be able to do justice for most kids?

Guymere · 21/09/2020 16:32

I think more people switch at 8. That’s when state children join preps (state until 8) and you, at a prep, will be able to evaluate if the school suits your DC. If it isn’t what you want, then change is possible.

Where my DD went at 8 was famously non selective! However academic scholarships most years were numerous. Plus art, sport and music scholarships. However it was big enough to have two more classes of decent size besides the scholarship group. So the majority were catered for. It was also a girls school from 8 and I actually think it provided many opportunities for friendships and certainly the less academic could participate fully in extra curricular and drama, dance, etc etc if they wished. It had something for everyone and was big enough to do this.

The prep (private primary) nearby never gets any scholarships anywhere. It has few sports facilities, music or drama either. It’s viewed as a haven for DC who cannot manage anywhere bigger or better and for parents who, wrongly, think the state schools are useless. It’s cheaper of course but not value for money.

I think you have some idea at 3 years old. Your backgrounds and education are a steer. Jobs held by you and the grandparents. Was your DC talking early and has he shown any signs of being ahead of his peers? That’s difficult to judge but you can move schools if you need to. The little private school near me had 36 in the nursery when DD went. That shrank to 4 in y6. In comparison to where DD went at 8, it wasn’t in the same league.

People left because the nearest private girls day school also had a prep which more or less guaranteed entry to its senior school. Boys left because they wanted sports and prep for boarding at 13. I would also recommend looking at destinations very closely. Do DC stay local, does it prep for boarding schools at 13? What do you want at 11 or 13? That was key for us and very much defines prep schools.

Guymere · 21/09/2020 16:41

Would you not look at Abingdon prep for Abingdon School?

Lemon99 · 21/09/2020 17:33

so helpful thanks for taking the time to write a detailed reply :) We’re both academics who have been to private schools, so although we hope our son is going to be smart, I think we are both more concerned about pushing him too hard/finding balance.. if you see what I mean.

Interesting re:switching ages 8 (I don’t think i noticed that as an 8 year old!)

The idea of feeding into secondary schools is also new to us. Not looking at boarding at secondary for son (although he might feel differently as a teenager!), and are (Slightly) hesitant about primaries that have a boarding cohort. Have ruled out summerfields I think, as it seems to prep for boarding schools far and wide, can’t decide about Dragon for similar reasons (hesitant as v large).... and also flipping expensive in the older years!

Yes, could look at Abingdon junior, probably lower down list due to location/minimising commute for maximum number of years, but I guess if we thought Abingdon was going to be a better fit than MCS, it would be a good option. We’re living in Kennington/working in oxford so Chandlings and New College or Christchurch schools would be more convenient (being slightly selfish) but again, obviously so much smaller and completely different to the others...

Slightly overwhelming, thanks for your help though :) are you local?

Guymere · 21/09/2020 22:15

Local - ish! Further down the M40 towards London! I know a lot of parents do choose preps based on destination schools. If you wanted Eton, you need a track record of the school getting DC to Eton! Leaving at 11 or 13 is key.

You do often find children who board from 13 will go all over, but parents have favourites and if goes in waves. Where my DD went, two schools took 1/3 of the girls. Now, one of the popular schools tensions popular but the other less so. You do accept your DC might move to a senior school not knowing anyone if you branch away from the “norm”. I can see why you might want to go to a local school but you must make up your own mind. Schools improve and, as I said, moving later isn’t unusual.

I’m afraid that many top drawer private schools are pushy! Their reputation depends on destinations and it’s all some parents talk about. And they hire tutors too. So finding a balance is healthy in my opinion. We found our school did have a good balance but some of the scholarship crew and those wanting the top schools could be very pushy! But the schools want these high performers so they teach accordingly and there will be top sets and scholarship classes.

I know The Dragon is a nightmare to get to but sometimes larger is excellent. So much to do and not necessarily pushy for every child. Our school was over 400 DDs and we were happy with that but I know the Dragon is double that size.

I would try and look at every bit of info you can get your hands on. I’m assuming visits are not possible. If you choose a school that doesn’t prep for boarding (Goes to age 11) and then you decide you want boarding, you would have to change at some point. Making decisions is easier when you know exactly what you want for senior school as it drives the choice of prep.

Guymere · 21/09/2020 22:16

tensions: is still popular ......

Lemon99 · 22/09/2020 07:21

Thanks, yes tricky when currently all we have is a prospectus and a zoom call to decide. It is really helpful just to have the realisation that choosing private school in Oxford is a 100% different ball game to other areas of UK. So thank you for giving us that perspective.

Thanks for all your advice, extremely helpful.

OxfordBlues · 24/09/2020 13:02

I am a parent of a Year 5 boy at Chandlings and it is a fantastic school that looks after him tailored to his personality and encourages him to achieve his full potential in academics and sport. The grounds are incredible, the teachers kind and nurturing, and he has plenty of opportunities to shine. I would be happy to answer any specific questions you have with factual info. We have experienced the school from Nursery onwards. There certainly isn't any "overwhelming parental unhappiness". Every school will have things people like and don't like. Again, I'd be very happy to address your concerns.

MathsyMum · 03/11/2020 22:13

Hi @OxfordBlues, we are looking at Chandlings and the Manor. We loved Chandlings when we looked round but some of the threads here have made me nervous about committing! Would love to know more of your experience, particularly around the questions of leadership and falling intakes.

MathsyMum · 03/11/2020 22:21

Hi @OxfordBlues, we are looking at Chandlings and the Manor. We loved Chandlings when we looked round but some of the threads here have made me nervous about committing! Would love to know more of your experience, particularly around the questions of leadership and falling intakes.

OxfordBlues · 04/11/2020 10:00

Hi @MathsyMum. I'll post the response I sent privately to the people asking questions earlier -there seems to be more interest in this discussion than I anticipated. It is always tricky to navigate reviews and make an informed decision. My husband (I'll admit he's reasonably right in this case, grudgingly) says that the only people who write reviews are either those who are very happy or very unhappy. I'll do my best to be objective.
By way of a background, our son is an only child; we are both have science postgraduate educations and work in science; we live in Oxford and both work full-time also in and around Oxford. We visited our local primary, Dragon, Abingdon Junior School, and Chandlings.
How we chose Chandlings:
1.We wanted a school that is not stretched for resources - our local state primary seemed to be struggling to raise funds to supplement their offering. This seemed to impact what could and couldn't be offered. The independent schools all had very good and abundant resources. Chandlings won for its fantastic grounds, their own swimming pool, space, a variety of sports pitches, forest school space, and resources for languages and music, etc.
2.Convenience of picking up and dropping off – we live 3 miles from the school so it is a good manageable drive before and after work for either of us. Lots of dedicated parking availability (Dragon is a city school with very limited parking; Abingdon is slightly better but still doesn’t have straightforward parking space for drop offs – picking up might be easier)
3.Good wraparound care – Chandlings has early birds’ club from 8am and they can go into their classes from 8:15 am for an 8:30 start, and also afterschool care (with or without activities) until 5pm included in the fees. This can be extended both ends to 7:30am and 6pm for a fee of £8 a session per family. Very handy for when we need to be outside Oxford for early commitments. Dragon finished at about 3pm for the very young kids and didn’t have after school care.
4.Lunch and snacks provided – We don’t have the time (read are not organised enough!) to make lunches and snacks every morning. Chandlings has this beautifully sorted with snacks at breaktimes, a sit-down hot/cold lunch, snack before afterschool club, all again included in the fees. To be fair, the other schools did it too but I’m not sure everything was included in the fees.
5.Diversity of background and race – Chandlings had a great mix of kids and families that we could relate to – lots of different professional backgrounds, coming from different countries of origin, speaking various second languages. Dragon, at the time, was very uniform, though Abingdon was less so. Chandlings was right for us.
6.Nurturing – My child is quieter and gentler than most. He is very articulate but painfully shy. We needed a school that would bring him out and help him find his voice and celebrate his strengths. Chandlings is incredible at doing just that. The teachers, TAs, support staff are all kind, all remember his name, always make time for him, and really look after him, all the while nudging him out of his comfort zone which is perfect. We spoke to a few teachers and took a bit of a punt on this one based on our gut feel. It was hard to know if this criterion would be satisfied. Now that we’ve spent 6+ years in this school, I am pretty sure we’ve got what we wanted.
7.Sport – My child is not crazily sporty (he plays badminton which they don’t offer in his school) but we did want him to try lots of sports which again Chandlings does very well. They do very well to include him (all kids play for 95% of the fixtures – they have teams from A to D or more if necessary and they ability match them so everyone gets a shot and learns to play in a team. Being an only child, this is great for my son.
8.Academic rigour – This was important to us and to be fair we saw it at all schools we visited. Chandlings understands its place as a primary school very well and does a lot of work to prepare children for secondary school entrance without being a hothouse which again, worked for us. Dragon goes to 13+ which is more geared towards their upper school and schools like Eton – not a deal-breaker but not for us.
9.Co-educational – We were keen on this and this was not an option at Abingdon.

About teachers being made redundant, class sizes increasing, total numbers at school falling:
1.We have had two real changes of head in the time we have been there, and a couple of interim heads. These things happen for a variety of reasons. But I can assure you that none of the changes were horrible enough for us to take our son out of the school. The school has a very strong leadership team and regardless of changes in head-ship the ethos and feel of the school has been consistent.
2.Before Covid, numbers typically fell because people panicked about secondary school entrance exams and want to game the system by getting to the school of choice earlier for an all but guaranteed senior school place. We had our own panic before Year 3 and went and did assessments for entry to Magdalen and Abingdon. My son got offered places to both but we chose to stay because he was happy and thriving at Chandlings. These numbers get made up in the following year’s intake. Additionally, changes make some people uncomfortable – the change in head led to some people moving out fearing a quality change. Chandlings also is the school of choice for children of visiting executives from companies like BMW, Nielsen, etc. They are a transient population – they naturally have to leave at the end of their stint in Oxford. Post Covid, numbers have gone down because people have had to deal with financial instability. The school has responded to the drop in numbers by consolidating classes (increasing from 16 to 20) and reducing staffing costs (some voluntary redundancies). Cost managing was something that the parent body asked for in the wake of having to continue paying fees for the reduced face-to-face teaching offering and not being able to use the facilities.
3.You have to remember that the school is fundamentally a business – one that educates your child really well, but a business. They are doing and have done what they need to do to keep afloat during the crisis. They have handled the changes reasonably well and remain open to suggestion and feedback. This has been important in confirming we made a good choice.

This may have been more detailed than you asked for but I do get frustrated when I seen a lot of extreme opinions on forums, usually from people with no first-hand experience. Every parent will say the school they picked for their child is fantastic – it is an emotive subject. I think you have to come up with a list and work through whether the schools you are viewing have the things you want or not and take it from there. Good luck with your search!

Chemlover · 04/11/2020 10:40

@OxfordBlues

Hi *@MathsyMum*. I'll post the response I sent privately to the people asking questions earlier -there seems to be more interest in this discussion than I anticipated. It is always tricky to navigate reviews and make an informed decision. My husband (I'll admit he's reasonably right in this case, grudgingly) says that the only people who write reviews are either those who are very happy or very unhappy. I'll do my best to be objective. By way of a background, our son is an only child; we are both have science postgraduate educations and work in science; we live in Oxford and both work full-time also in and around Oxford. We visited our local primary, Dragon, Abingdon Junior School, and Chandlings. How we chose Chandlings: 1.We wanted a school that is not stretched for resources - our local state primary seemed to be struggling to raise funds to supplement their offering. This seemed to impact what could and couldn't be offered. The independent schools all had very good and abundant resources. Chandlings won for its fantastic grounds, their own swimming pool, space, a variety of sports pitches, forest school space, and resources for languages and music, etc. 2.Convenience of picking up and dropping off – we live 3 miles from the school so it is a good manageable drive before and after work for either of us. Lots of dedicated parking availability (Dragon is a city school with very limited parking; Abingdon is slightly better but still doesn’t have straightforward parking space for drop offs – picking up might be easier) 3.Good wraparound care – Chandlings has early birds’ club from 8am and they can go into their classes from 8:15 am for an 8:30 start, and also afterschool care (with or without activities) until 5pm included in the fees. This can be extended both ends to 7:30am and 6pm for a fee of £8 a session per family. Very handy for when we need to be outside Oxford for early commitments. Dragon finished at about 3pm for the very young kids and didn’t have after school care. 4.Lunch and snacks provided – We don’t have the time (read are not organised enough!) to make lunches and snacks every morning. Chandlings has this beautifully sorted with snacks at breaktimes, a sit-down hot/cold lunch, snack before afterschool club, all again included in the fees. To be fair, the other schools did it too but I’m not sure everything was included in the fees. 5.Diversity of background and race – Chandlings had a great mix of kids and families that we could relate to – lots of different professional backgrounds, coming from different countries of origin, speaking various second languages. Dragon, at the time, was very uniform, though Abingdon was less so. Chandlings was right for us. 6.Nurturing – My child is quieter and gentler than most. He is very articulate but painfully shy. We needed a school that would bring him out and help him find his voice and celebrate his strengths. Chandlings is incredible at doing just that. The teachers, TAs, support staff are all kind, all remember his name, always make time for him, and really look after him, all the while nudging him out of his comfort zone which is perfect. We spoke to a few teachers and took a bit of a punt on this one based on our gut feel. It was hard to know if this criterion would be satisfied. Now that we’ve spent 6+ years in this school, I am pretty sure we’ve got what we wanted. 7.Sport – My child is not crazily sporty (he plays badminton which they don’t offer in his school) but we did want him to try lots of sports which again Chandlings does very well. They do very well to include him (all kids play for 95% of the fixtures – they have teams from A to D or more if necessary and they ability match them so everyone gets a shot and learns to play in a team. Being an only child, this is great for my son. 8.Academic rigour – This was important to us and to be fair we saw it at all schools we visited. Chandlings understands its place as a primary school very well and does a lot of work to prepare children for secondary school entrance without being a hothouse which again, worked for us. Dragon goes to 13+ which is more geared towards their upper school and schools like Eton – not a deal-breaker but not for us. 9.Co-educational – We were keen on this and this was not an option at Abingdon.

About teachers being made redundant, class sizes increasing, total numbers at school falling:
1.We have had two real changes of head in the time we have been there, and a couple of interim heads. These things happen for a variety of reasons. But I can assure you that none of the changes were horrible enough for us to take our son out of the school. The school has a very strong leadership team and regardless of changes in head-ship the ethos and feel of the school has been consistent.
2.Before Covid, numbers typically fell because people panicked about secondary school entrance exams and want to game the system by getting to the school of choice earlier for an all but guaranteed senior school place. We had our own panic before Year 3 and went and did assessments for entry to Magdalen and Abingdon. My son got offered places to both but we chose to stay because he was happy and thriving at Chandlings. These numbers get made up in the following year’s intake. Additionally, changes make some people uncomfortable – the change in head led to some people moving out fearing a quality change. Chandlings also is the school of choice for children of visiting executives from companies like BMW, Nielsen, etc. They are a transient population – they naturally have to leave at the end of their stint in Oxford. Post Covid, numbers have gone down because people have had to deal with financial instability. The school has responded to the drop in numbers by consolidating classes (increasing from 16 to 20) and reducing staffing costs (some voluntary redundancies). Cost managing was something that the parent body asked for in the wake of having to continue paying fees for the reduced face-to-face teaching offering and not being able to use the facilities.
3.You have to remember that the school is fundamentally a business – one that educates your child really well, but a business. They are doing and have done what they need to do to keep afloat during the crisis. They have handled the changes reasonably well and remain open to suggestion and feedback. This has been important in confirming we made a good choice.

This may have been more detailed than you asked for but I do get frustrated when I seen a lot of extreme opinions on forums, usually from people with no first-hand experience. Every parent will say the school they picked for their child is fantastic – it is an emotive subject. I think you have to come up with a list and work through whether the schools you are viewing have the things you want or not and take it from there. Good luck with your search!

Thank you for your review of the school. It seems a very nice school and personally I like the idea of co-education. I don't think I would have survived in an all-girls school when I was a kid! The problem of schools in Oxford is that they don't have a lot of outdoor space, which I think is important for primary school-aged kids.
MathsyMum · 04/11/2020 15:50

Thank you SO much @OxfordBlues, this is so helpful!

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