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Can someone explain catchment areas please!?

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Caffeineaddict994 · 30/08/2018 16:35

I've just set up my account to apply for primary schools for my DS next year and finally found out what schools are in my catchment area (or what schools I'm in catchment area for - not sure how it works exactly, hence here!)
Anyway - I had a rough idea of schools we'd be applying to and it turns out that only one of them is catchment in my area (which is the most preferred one thankfully) however, I don't understand why the next school on that list is over 2 miles from us yet my second preferred school is less than 1 mile away and not on the council websites list? Can anyone explain please?
Just seems bizarre that both the other schools we were planning on are closer than all the other options I'm being told are my catchment area. (albeit, there are only 3 schools on the list itself which doesn't give me good feelings and the last one is nearly 5 miles away!)
To be honest, I'm going to struggle getting my DS to school if he gets my 2nd or 3rd option and they are local and now I'm dreading the thought of him been given a place somewhere practically impossible for me to get to.
I don't really understand any of this process as DS is my first but I know catchment isn't top of the list of reasons when schools choose applicants but that's the only thing I (thought I) had in the bank but now it turns out I don't even have that! I knew there was another reason to hate my house

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TeenTimesTwo · 30/08/2018 16:44

2 types of meaning:

  1. Formal. The area where people can reside that gives them priority in applications to a particular school over and above similar children who are not in catchment. These catchments can be weirdly shaped to allow for areas of housing, locations of other schools etc. the idea being everyone is 'in catchment' for a school.7
  2. Informally. The area that a school usually draws its pupils from, usually a circle with centre the school. When people talk about 'catchment areas shrinking' they normally mean this. As in last year the catchment was 2.5 miles, now it is 2.1 miles

A school might not be on council website if it actually belongs to another council. You can still apply to it via your own council.

TeenTimesTwo · 30/08/2018 16:45

Not all councils use formal catchment areas.

meditrina · 30/08/2018 16:47

A catchment is a priority Admissions area: so the criteria would typically be SEN/LAC, siblings in catchment, other siblings, all others. Living in the catchment doesn't mean you are guaranteed a place (except in Scotland) as the tie breaker in the category they reach is likely to be distance from the school.

The maps of catchments - for schools have them - should be published alongside all the other Admissions info. Look carefully at the wording of the criteria for VA faith schools, as they might give priority to residents in particular parishes, and that is effectively a priority Admissions area that works like a catchment.

You also need to find out the 'greatest distance offered' for each school, because althiught that varies from year to year and is an imperfect guide, it will give you some idea of whether you are at all likely to receive an offer. So if it has not gone beyond 'other catchment' DC in the last few years, and the greatest distance was about 750m, you'll know that living just outside the catchment boundary, even if also at 750m, is really unlikely to lead to an offer (catchments do have to be concentric circles).

Nothisispatrick · 30/08/2018 16:49

I work in a catholic school and our catchment area starts from the centre of the parish, rather than the school itself, so it’s an odd shape and lots of our families don’t actually live that close to the school.

superram · 30/08/2018 16:50

Because if you went solely on distance in some areas you might be in 3 catchments and someone else might be in none so ‘catchment’ distributes more evenly. Many places use sibling or distance.

Caffeineaddict994 · 30/08/2018 17:31

Thanks for the information everyone - I assumed it was like a circle with the school at the center to be honest, didn't know they could be weird shapes etc. Never though to look on the school websites though (I have looked at them all but not for this reason so will look again now). The whole thing is just so confusing

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Pud2 · 30/08/2018 18:43

It varies from year to year, dependent on who applies, and the admissions criteria. If, eg, siblings are given priority, that may take say 10 places. There may also be priority for SEN children and looked after children. The remaining places are likely to be given on distance from the school. This is usually done ‘as the crow flies’. A less popular school is likely to have less applicants and therefore, will take children from further away. For a popular school, there would be more applicants so you would need to live nearer.

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 30/08/2018 18:55

It’s a priority area, not a catchment area. The last child admitted area will change every year. Depending on sibling priority etc there may be years that nothing but siblings get in.

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 30/08/2018 18:56

When an EHCP there is a priority as there is with children in care and previously in care. I don’t think a school can get round that.

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 30/08/2018 18:57

With our local catholic school unless you are catholic or have a sibling there you won’t get in.

BubblesBuddy · 30/08/2018 22:56

Many schools have odd shaped catchment areas and not circles of distance around the school. Many schools admit all who live in catchment. However, distance from school (the circles) might be the tie breaker if the school is oversubscribed.

Do look at the admissions information published by every school on their web site. Look at the catchment area which they must also publish if it’s relevant. Church schools can also ask for Church attendance so watch out for that.

Distance from a school may not ensure you are in catchment. The only way to check catchment and where you stand is to look at the maps. Also look on the Local Authority’s web site to find out how places are allocated at the schools. They may have several years worth of info. If your catchment school is the one you like, and it took every child that applied, so takes all catchment children - no problem and no worries! If it qualifies who it took, you have to work out your chances. Ditto the other schools. Where do you fit into the criteria and therefore likely chance of success.

ChateauRouge · 30/08/2018 23:02

People might be able to advise better if you can post which town or LA you're in. The problem is that every school is different- where I live 98% of schools don't have set catchments at all, it's mainly done on faith or distance criteria.

ifIonlyknew · 31/08/2018 07:58

some schools round us no longer have catchments because they are academies or free schools I think, some have odd catchments because they come under a different council so you could live 300 yards away but not have a cat in hells chance of getting in or you could live 8 miles away but get in easily.

BubblesBuddy · 31/08/2018 08:30

It’s a mess really, isn’t it! Life was so easy when you knew you would just go to the local school!

steppemum · 31/08/2018 08:42

catchment ares can be a real red herring.

What you need to know is the schools admission criteria.
The schools may all have the same, and be same as LEA, or not. If one school is an academy then its criteria may be different from the other schools.
Admissions criteria give a list of priority that they schools gives, it usually (for a school with a catchment area) looks something like this:

  1. Looked after children (fostered)
  2. children with a SEN plan (ECHP)
  3. siblings of kids at the school
  4. children in catchment, closest first
  5. children out of catchment closets first.

This means that a child in the catchment area who lives further away may have priority over a child OUT of catchment who lives closer.

To find out how this effects you, you can ask about last years places, did they all go to kids in category 4? And if so, how far away from the school was the lats child admitted? (eg 1.1 miles from school).
That will tell you if you have a chance in your out of catchment schools.

BUT many schools don;t use catchment, they only use distance, so it is worth checking that the catchment is there on the admissions criteria. What you see on the website might just be 'we have kids who come form this area' rather than 'this is the official catchment area of the school'

Trampire · 31/08/2018 08:53

I've put 2 children through Primary and now onto Secondary. In my experience, the idea of 'catchment' being a line or a shape doesn't really happen anymore. It changes year on year depending on applicants.

When I was looking I used to look up the ' furthest distance offered' from the LEA website. It should tell you how far away the pupils came from in the past few years. Again, this is no guarantee of anything but it gives you a guide.

PickleNeedsAFriendInReading · 31/08/2018 09:35

Besides what everyone else has said (that catchment can mean different things in different places, and that some areas offer formal catchments and some don't, and you need to know which you are in!), I also wonder where you have found the information about what your school catchment is.

If you have put your address into a database and it's come back listing three schools, it could be that those are the three schools that your address would have got you in to last year - either because you are close to them, or because they are less popular and took children from quite a wide area, or because they are undersubscribed and anyone would have got in, etc. The other schools that you are physically nearer to might have very small catchments that you wouldn't have got in to from your address, so they might not have been listed. These sorts of sites also can't take account other admission criteria other than distance, so they're really only rough guides.

Or you might have been looking at the council website, where it gives a specific catchment school (or more than one) for each address. In my city, every address has at least one (and some have two), and they get priority admission, so you can look this up on the website.

etc.

So it matters what exactly you were looking up and where you found the information.

missbrightside09 · 31/08/2018 09:55

Furthermore they measure the distance from your home to the school "as the crow flies" which means the schools can sound a lot closer than they actually are HmmConfused

TeenTimesTwo · 31/08/2018 10:31

Some areas use 'as the crow flies'.
Other use 'defined safe walking route' (e.g. lit footpaths, but not across fields even if there is a right of way)

Theboldandthebeautiful1 · 31/08/2018 10:35

Our nearest school is not in catchment as it’s in another county.

We live on the border of another county so our catchment school is the closest one in our county and not the school which is closest to us.

ShowOfHands · 31/08/2018 10:40

Here the catchment is defined as living within villages x y and z so a very odd shape. Priority goes LAC, SEN, catchment with sibling, catchment without sibling, out of catchment with sibling, out of catchment without. The school is oversubscribed so there are always out of catchment DC who don't get in, even with siblings already attending.

LadyLapsang · 31/08/2018 23:28

Just look at the admissions criteria for the individual schools for the year you want to apply. There are many variations of catchment areas including nodal etc. In my experience only a minority of English LAs have distinct non-overlapping catchments for all schools. Also be aware the faith catchment areas may draw from a larger geographical area.

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 31/08/2018 23:46

Some councils no longer offer sibling priority

Holidayshopping · 31/08/2018 23:52

finally found out what schools are in my catchment area

Which LEA are you?

Round here-you wouldn’t have multiple ‘schools’ In your catchment area. You live in an area that has ONE catchment school. You can apply for out of catchment schools, but only one is your catchment.

Paddington68 · 03/09/2018 14:49

There is a defined catchment area and what is better called an admissions footprint.
A defined catchment area is people in this area and only those can go to the school.
An admissions footprint is what happened last year and how far or near people lived to be able to get into a school.

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