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Being hounded for Nat Ins number

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Ahmawa · 30/05/2018 15:14

I need to clarify that is providing a Nat Ins number a legal requirement? Or is it a policy requirement for each school or council?

I am being asked again for my Nat Ins number - I made it clear as far as I know its not a requirement. I know what it used for PP and we will not be eligible.

Now my reasons for refusing is simple - its not needed and I have recently been a victim of ID Fraud where someone opened up credit cards in my name. I was advised by CIFAS in future only provide details when it is a legal requirement and check twice to make sure.

Dealing with ID fraud is horrible as I am now extra vigilant. I may sound awkward but once it happens to you - you become extra vigilant.

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CarriePerry · 30/05/2018 15:21

Who's asking you for it?

PerspicaciaTick · 30/05/2018 15:25

Throw GDPR at them. Why do they want the info, how will they use it, how will they store it. They shouldn't be asking for or storing non-essential information. Even if it is nothing to do with GDPR it will make them think.

PattiStanger · 30/05/2018 15:26

Who is asking you and what for?

Are you an employee?

PurpleDaisies · 30/05/2018 15:26

Who wants it? Payroll have to have it so your tax etc is done right.

PamEars · 30/05/2018 15:27

Our school asked for it but i didn't provide it and it wasn't chased up

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Ahmawa · 30/05/2018 15:43

The nursery school for Pupil Premium.

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IlikemyTeahot · 30/05/2018 15:47

If its regardimg the pupil premium they will need that to send to HMRC or dwp I should think...if you're really not willing to then ask if you can contact them directly

HelenaJustina · 30/05/2018 15:53

If it is a nursery, are you sure they don’t need it because you are claiming 30hrs funding?

If you are claiming above the 15 hours, they need both your claim code and NI number to validate the claim.

polsha · 30/05/2018 15:55

Seriously

CarriePerry · 30/05/2018 15:56

In that case I would ask them exactly what they need it for. If it seems reasonable then give it to them, ask them how they store your details etc. Without knowing exactly what they use it for it's hard to know if it's a reasonable request or not.

RippleEffects · 30/05/2018 16:00

According to this HMRC link you need your NI number to apply online and then you can pass the code to your childcare provider to show you qualify.

PotteringAlong · 30/05/2018 16:01

If it’s nursery it’s to check you’re eligible for the funding. Just give it to them. School won’t want it when they’re in reception.

PotteringAlong · 30/05/2018 16:02

ripple you need to provide the code and your NI number for them to validate your claim.

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Ahmawa · 30/05/2018 16:13

Just for the standard 15 hours.

Do not meet the requirements for Pupil Premium.

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tempuser · 30/05/2018 18:50

We had this. Schools are missing out massively at the moment on the pupil premium funding because people don't realise they can apply for it as all get free school dinners in infants. Our school sends out a blanket request for NI numbers so that they can check that all who are eligible have applied. There's no requirement that you have to provide it if you're sure you don't qualify, it's just to try and find a few more who do.

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 30/05/2018 18:59

Send them a letter, with a copy by email, stating that you do not qualify for pupil premium. Tell them that if they need/want your NI number for any other reason they must put that reason in writing to you and you will consider it, otherwise you do not wish to be contacted on this matter again. Then every time they ask just say "I refer you to my email/letter of x date in which I request that you not contact me about this".

Coloursthatweremyjoy · 30/05/2018 19:05

The forms for collecting funding from the council require the parents NI number. Even for the 15 hrs. The forms can be audited and funding withdrawn if they are not filled in correctly. If you object then it would be worth contacting your Local authority with questions.

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Ahmawa · 30/05/2018 21:18

Well I looked at my local authority booklet online for EY Funding and it said that the Nat Ins number is optional - yet the school seems to run on a different notion.

Also I don't want to be seen to be that awkward parent but I want to stand my ground. When you become a victim of ID Fraud trust me you become more wary of what data you give out.

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soapboxqueen · 30/05/2018 21:26

OP then I would suggest you contact the LEA to verify that you don't need to give it. The information you have could be out of date. More likely though that you don't have to give it and yet the nursery may need it to complete a task.

admission · 30/05/2018 21:50

I suspect that the school asking for this data is about to change with GDPR now in force. All schools are having to come to terms with all the personal data that they have for both children and parents at the school and more importantly how it is stored and used in the future. AS usual it is the government /LA needing this info for one silo to do with Pupil Premium whilst the GDPR silo is taking a very different view about the level of personal data that is being requested.

PattiStanger · 30/05/2018 22:06

You don't need to become "that" parent if you politley explain that you've been an identity theft victim, you've double checked with the LA and as the NI number isn't compulsory you won't be providing it.

You don't need to make things overly difficult, a neutral email should do the trick

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