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Help! DD’s SATS paper today !

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bluegiraffe · 14/05/2018 18:10

Can’t believe what’s happened. DD’s best SATS paper today, SPAG.
She’s told me she was checking through answers at end in the last few minutes.... and realised only then that she had missed out 2 pages of questions!!! She must have turned over 2 pages together! How can that even happen! Argh! She managed to answer one of the missed questions before the teacher told them to stop writing! She is really upset but couldn’t say anything at the time.
I am so so gutted for her that it has happened in the real thing. 😞
Question is to any teachers out there, is there ANYTHING she can do?? I am going to go in with her to tell the teacher what happened (she is so worried she will be cross with her)
Help and advise please, wise SATs Mumsnetters 😢😢

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Lougle · 15/05/2018 15:01

@icecreamvan it's just the way it is. Exams are set and marked to a set mark scheme. Certain answers are "accepted" and others are not. All the way through from SATs, GCSEs, A Levels, etc. For instance, in A level Chemistry, the question " State the role of NO2− in the reaction with I− [1 mark]" has the answer "oxidizing agent". The mark scheme also says "Allow to accept/gain electrons Allow Oxidant Do not allow accept/ gain pairs of electrons Do not allow Oxidise." So a student may know that it is an oxidant, but if they write 'oxidise' they won't get the mark. They might write a whole paragraph about its role, but they'll still only get one mark as soon as they mention oxidant - they'll be wasting their time on the rest.

Lougle · 15/05/2018 15:04

Me too, Teen but, her teacher should know that DD2 doesn't understand euphemisms, so if she wanted her to get the idea that she had to answer the question, she really needed to tell her. Believe me when I tell you that there is a whole world of room for interpreting the questions if your brain doesn't interpret life conventionally

Kezzie200 · 15/05/2018 15:13

If you have a capable child, she is still capable this afternoon. No one has taken anything worth having away from her.

TeenTimesTwo · 15/05/2018 15:13

Lougle You should see some of the answers my DD1 used to write (KS3 at the time). Normally just rephrasing the question:

Q. Why is smoking when pregnant bad for the baby
A. Because it's health will get worse

Q. Why does the mass of the placenta increase as the baby grows
A. Because it needs to get bigger

icecreamvan · 15/05/2018 16:40

So is there a way for teachers to teach how to answer the questions in the reading comprehension - to match the marking scheme? I'm just curious. Because if so DS hasn't been taught this at all. And yes, his brain does not interpret life conventionally. Having said that the answers he was putting (when we practised together) made complete sense to me. I couldn't believe how exactly you had to answer things. I studied English Literature at University. It's my thing. And literature is not black and white. It is always open to interpretation.

Children should be encouraged to think for themselves and use their imaginations shouldn't they?

I'm just so puzzled by the whole thing.

TeenTimesTwo · 15/05/2018 18:05

Children should be encouraged to think for themselves and use their imaginations shouldn't they?

Yes, but not when being asked about information found in a text - then they have to find the information in the text.

And even later on, when being asked 'what do you think...' they have to justify the answer. e.g I think that Tom was scared because it says he was 'shaking' and his voice was 'trembling'. This shows he wasn't in control of his body, which is often a reaction to fear.

I think the skill of inference is hard to teach. DD1 would fixate on one or two words and not see the overall picture that was being built up. It was really hard (impossible) to help her improve.

I guess what I am saying is your DS may have been taught it, but may not have actually learned it.

Lougle · 15/05/2018 18:28

I asked DD2 how her reading SAT went today. "It went great! It was really easy, I think, and I was very pleased because I finished pretty much first out of the whole class!"

TeenTimesTwo · 15/05/2018 18:32

Ah well. You have 5 years to work on it. And if she does poorly, at least the secondary school will be aware.

HopeClearwater · 15/05/2018 18:38

Lougle How can a teacher do that? Why would they?

To pay the rent. To pay the mortgage. There’s a massive top down pressure on teachers to get the magic percentages. Attack the system, not the workers.

Also - I really resent all these parents who choose a school on its data and Ofsted but then get all precious when it’s their children being put under pressure in year 6.

Feenie · 15/05/2018 20:31

The SATs results don't determine what her teacher will assess her as so if the teacher says she's greater depth that's what she'll be assessed as, whether the tests back that up or not.

Until next year, when reading and maths teacher assessments will be binned.

Not that anyone in officialdom ever even pretended they mattered anyway.

ineedamoreadultieradult · 15/05/2018 20:33

The SATs results don't determine what her teacher will assess her as so if the teacher says she's greater depth that's what she'll be assessed as, whether the tests back that up or not

Can someone explain this to me? Are the test rwsultsooled at alongside teacher assessments to give a final score? I thought it was purely based on the test?

Growingboys · 15/05/2018 20:42

My DS is doing SATS right now and we could not be less worried. No-one will ever ask, or care, how he did.

I let him go out to watch a big football game last night . He got in at 10pm and wasn't asleep before 11pm.

I am super pushy when it matters but for SATS, it does not matter a jot!

Feenie · 15/05/2018 20:50

Atm, there are two assessments for reading and maths - test and teacher assessment. They are supposed to have equal weighting but never have and will finally be scrapped next year.

Feenie · 15/05/2018 20:51

I let him go out to watch a big football game last night . He got in at 10pm and wasn't asleep before 11pm.

That's ridiculous on any school night, tbh.

Feenie · 15/05/2018 20:53

No-one will ever ask, or care, how he did.

His secondary school will have to, since all his GCSE targets will be set from his reading and maths scores during just one of two hours this week.

Feenie · 15/05/2018 20:54

One or two.

Ohyesiam · 15/05/2018 20:55

My oh teaches a core subject at secondary. He says the top sets are rarely moved down in year 7 , but he expects lots to move up as so many don’t perform well in tests.

Feenie · 15/05/2018 21:30

That would only work if the top sets were very small to begin with, then

Growingboys · 16/05/2018 06:14

Not in the least ridiculous feenie. One late night didn't affect him at all, and he's a clever boy and said yesterday's papers were easy.

Plus he said the football match was the best night of his life.

But if it makes you feel better do continue to judge!

Feenie · 16/05/2018 06:30

Obviously i will, if you are silly enough to boast about it on a primary thread.

It wouldn't be something my Y7 ds would be doing on a school night.

Lougle · 16/05/2018 09:31

See, I thought I was pushing the boundaries last night, when a school Mum text me at 7.50pm to ask me if her DD could call on my DDs, and I had planned to get them in bed by 8pm. I decided, on balance, that as they'd been really good and DD3 had read 50 pages of her new book (reluctant reader & the most she's ever read in one sitting), I'd agree to 30 minutes before bed, as long as she went home again at 8.30 pm. Getting home at 10 pm on a school night would have to be a family wedding, I think!

myhamster · 15/05/2019 10:08

I asked DD on Monday how her SPAG paper went and she said "it went really badly because I didn't know any of the answers".

I said "oh well , never mind".

I doubt she has got 0%, but if she has, then it shows that the school have failed her badly somewhere down the line. (she has memory and concentration issues which they seem to keep forgetting themselves).

HelloDearHusband · 15/05/2019 10:51

As a mum to DC doing sats this week.... It's not a huge deal, tell her she will be fine and not to worry about it you are proud no matter what.

I went on holiday when school did our year 6 sats...did it matter....not one bit. I came out of gsces with all As and Bs.
My brother forgot to turn over his last page on his gcses so missed a whole page of questions...he got a 9 (think that's highest mark you can get).

Plus point...You can bet your bottom dollar that she won't make the same mistake in exams that actually do matter later on. She will check and double check.

newnameold · 15/05/2019 10:59

It was a year ago, I'm sure OP has dealt with it by now.

myhamster · 15/05/2019 12:42

Grr it came up on trending, didn’t see the date!

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