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advice needed re spellings age 10

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ifIonlyknew · 31/01/2018 04:03

ok I have just had a not great parents evening. DC has always been unable to spell, she is now 10. I first spoke to the school about possible dyslexia type issues back in Year 1 as her reading was odd (she was very good at reading but seriously seriously struggle with phonics) and she could write for pages with great grammar and language but could spell the same simple words wrong numerous ways within a few lines, being from a teaching background I knew it wasn't quite "right". anyway fast forward a few years and spelling and handwriting have always been a massive issue for her. her content and sentence structure etc has always been above expected levels. She had very secure level 3s in her KS1 SATs. Now we are being told she will fail her writing KS2 SATs next year because of her spelling and handwriting and I don't really know what we should do. She has quite severe hypermobility in her fingers and poor proprioception so handwriting is really hard for her. it CAN be relatively neat but only with the most enormous amount of concentration so this tends to happen if copying something. if she has to actually think of what to write at the same time she just can't seem to do it. When I say neat however it still looks jerky and not very fluid. She can learn spellings for a spelling test and do reasonably well (say 16/20 type level) but she can't spell simple words and however hard we work on them it doesn't seem to make any difference. She is really upset as she says she tries hard and I have to say I am inclined to believe her, we have always been told she is very hard working at school. She doesn't want any intervention really as she hates being singled out as different or having a problem but equally nothing really has been offered other than fine motor skills groups and she tried that and was too good for them so it demoralised the other children.

So I suppose my questions are

other than Stareway to Spelling which we have been using what else could we do with regards to spelling?
how much do SATs matter when they start year 7? do all schools automatically use them to decide on groupings or do they do their own testing? might they actually see the discrepancy between spelling/handwriting and content?

she was given a dyslexia screening test outside of school when she was 6, no indicators but the feeling was that the test for her age was too simplistic, not sure if that makes sense but it almost didn't go far enough to show up her problems (over a certain length word, these only had 2 syllables or whatever, I can't quite remember and her problems were over 4 syllables or it was words she already knew by sight). I am not saying she is dyslexic but it has always seemed like something along those lines. She has a word finding difficulty (diagnosed) and a section of dyspraxia (only relates to certain types of things, variables generally). She had a WISC at the same age, verbal score 2 standard deviations lower than non verbal. Processing speed average, verbal average, non verbal and working memory both very high.

I really don't know how to help her. I don't care whether or not anyone finds out if she has a definite problem, she has to learn to deal with the symptoms/problems regardless of what it may or may not be called but I don't know what to do as she just genuinely seems unable to spell or write neatly. it seems such a shame her other writing skills can't even be recognised in the tests because of these things. Any advice would be very welcome. TIA

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theEagleIsLost · 31/01/2018 10:45

Apple and pears best thing for every day spelling IME.

Do the tests to find out which book to start with, which has always been lower then I expected, and do it as often as possible with her. If reading is still and issue may be worth looking at their reading program dancing bears.

Writing - have you tried slopes and pen grips - they made some improvement for some of my children.

Otherwise:

Write from the start but given her age Speed Up might be better.

I think regarding SAT and secondary’s really depends on the secondary - though we moved to Wales so didn’t have to do yr 6 SATs in the end though that’s come with its own challenges.

Other one to look at would be Spelfabet but you are dealing with Australian pronunciations which can and do differ which is something to be aware of.

What ever you do little and often is best.

PollyPerky · 31/01/2018 10:54

My advice in a nutshell is get her assessed privately. Go to PATOSS online for specialists in your area and then you can get a specialist after school tutor if necessary.

The difference between her scores on WISC points to something because she has a lot of differences between the high and low scores. Dyspraxia is a possibility, given the issues with fine motor control, as well as dyslexia.

ifIonlyknew · 31/01/2018 14:31

thank you so much for your advice. I am relieved to have some stuff to look at and try now. It is so hard to know where to go if schools aren't hugely helpful. I don't expect them to do much, I know how busy they are but I have asked so many times for some suggestions as it is difficult to know where to start.

Thank you I will have a look at it all now.

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BrendansDanceShoes · 31/01/2018 18:39

A dyslexia screening at 6 is too young. Best time for screening is between 8 and 12. Agree with polly perky to get a private test done. Its not cheap, but reduces uncertainties going forward

userabcname · 31/01/2018 18:58

I am a teacher in a secondary school OP and to be honest we find the SATs results very hit and miss when it comes to setting. We actually delay putting year 7 into sets until after Christmas so we can base it on our own assessments (which do not include handwriting - as long as it's legible it's fine and if it's illegible then assessments would be completed using a laptop). I have also worked in a secondary school where pupils are not put in sets at all. I imagine most schools are quite flexible with year 7 setting due to settling in etc. So I wouldn't worry too much about that.

ifIonlyknew · 31/01/2018 21:30

thank you - that is very reassuring. Yes I think we should look at testing again. thanks

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lorisparkle · 31/01/2018 21:43

Have you looked at learning touch typing. I wish we had started earlier with ds. We are doing an online programme called ‘touch type read spell’. Ds had a reader / scribe for all his SATS but I think that just masked his true difficulties when he started secondary.

ClaudiaD13 · 31/01/2018 21:55

I'm don't really have any advice other than to say I wasn't diagnosed with dyslexia until College. My school refused to acknowledge I had difficulties, and every time my Mum mentioned it at parents evening they told her I was just careless and lazy. It didn't matter how long I spent on spelling I never improved. Even now I still spell my own name wrong sometimes. I can type perfectly fine, but I can't write, I can't get the letters in the correct order. It's incredibly frustrating.

I found when I do need to write that chunky pen grips really help with my hyper-mobile hands. I get extra time in exams. I was also given software to teach me to touch type so I'm faster.

I'm doing a Masters right now though, so it hasn't held me back. You just need to keep pushing to get that support in place.

ifIonlyknew · 01/02/2018 20:18

I started looking at touch typing a few months ago but didn't actually get anything. I think you are right in that it would be sensible as it is an extremely useful skill to learn anyway.

thank you - it is reassuring to know that not being supported when young hasn't held you back Claudia.

Thanks everyone. I have left a message for the local authority Ed Psych to call me next week as they do a call in service one day a week which I hadn't realised. Hopefully they might be able to point me in the right direction locally too. She won't get help through them or the school but if they can give me contacts locally I can sort something myself hopefully.

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