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Best way to help year 4 DC learn and be secure with times tables?

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WhenDoISleep · 27/01/2018 14:26

DC1 is in year 4 and is struggling with his times tables. School think he is doing OK (they have a scheme for learning tables with 1-1 tests) but when asked any kind of multiplication question at home, he is like a deer in the headlights. We have just struggled through a homework which used basic multiplication facts which should be well within his capabilities, but it was incredibly painful on both sides. I'm beginning to be concerned that not being secure in knowing and recalling his times tables is going to lead to him falling behind in maths.

What are the best strategies you have found that worked with DC to help them?

We have tried workbooks, flash cards and saying the tables out loud - I'd really like to know if there is a 'magic key' that can make it click for him.

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reluctantbrit · 28/01/2018 10:06

Has he actually understood how multiplication works? You can practice and memorise all you want you need to know what it means to use it in open worded questions.

DD loves practicing but it took long for her to understand the actual idea behind it. We used to practice with Smarties or M&Ms, lots of repeated addition and then it clicked and she managed to do 4x4 instead of 4+4+4+4

GetTheGoodLookingGuy · 28/01/2018 15:34

I'm a Y4 TA, and I say rote learning too.

I would find out which tables he's confident on, and then focus on the next one along (we teach in the order 10s, 5s, 2s, 3s, 4s, 8s, 6s, 7s, 9s, 11s, 12s, so if he was, for example, confident with his 10s, 5s and 2s, the next one to work on would be 3s, and nothing else until he's confident with them).

I "do" times tables with my class every morning for the first 20 minutes whilst the teacher does mental maths stuff, I see them individually to practice times tables - I write the numbers 1-12 on my whiteboard and then ask them in a random order - 2x6, 7x6, 11x6 ect, rubbing off the numbers when they've been able to quickly tell me that fact.

If there's one they're struggling on I remind them how they can figure it out from facts they know, like 9x6 is one lot of 6 less than 10x6, so 9x6=60-6, or reminding them that 6x7 is the same as 7x6, if they've just moved on from their 6s and are used to hearing it that way round. If there's a particular fact they're just not getting, I have stickers which say "ask me" on them, which I write the question on and they put on their jumpers, so all day everyone they see keeps asking them "what's 9x9?". I also have been known to ask them the same fact about ten times in a row to get it into their heads, which they find funny - "what's 9x9?" "81." "What's 9x9?" "81." "Hey, Jake?" "Yeah?" "What's 9x9?" "81."

They have to be able to answer my questions twice, and then they do a 46 fact challenge which is all the facts from the times table all four ways round - ie 7x6=, 6x7=, 42/6=, 42/7=. If they get over 40 in this (allowing for some silly mistakes/rushing/writing 12/4=48 because they misread it as 12x4) they move onto the next table.

When they move onto the next table they get a little bookmark with the times table on it, and a little note to parents on the back asking them to help practice them out of order, and also the related divison facts. The first time I see a child in the morning for a new times table, we talk about which facts they already know for this table, like in the 7s, they already know 10x, 5x, 2x, 3x, 4x, 8x and 6x7, from knowing those tables, so they now only have to learn 7x7, 9x7, 11x7 (which is easy) and 12x7.

It does seem to be working. This year group came up from KS1 with notoriously low data, and 5 in my class already know all their times tables, 2 more are on their 12s, and over half the class are on their 7s or above, which is where we reckon they should be at this point in the year to know all their times tables by the end of the year, with tables up to 4x supposed to have been taught in Y3, and learning a table every half term.

To help with knowing the divison facts, I keep on telling them that 56/8 is just asking you how many times 8 is 56.

Specific facts - as has already been mentioned 7x8=56 can be rearranged so that 56/7=8. 8x8=64 = I ate and I ate and I was sick on the floor - they don't forget that one in a hurry.

9s are great - I try to avoid teaching them the fingers trick as they tend to fall back on that instead of remembering them, but do show them that the tens digit of an answer in the 9x table will be one less that the number in the question, so 6x9 will be 50 something, 9x9 will be 80 something. Then you can figure out the ones, since the two digits in the answer always add up to nine (except 11x9, which adds up to 18, which adds up to nine). So this is a quick way to figure out one you don't know/have forgotten - 3x9 = twenty... (what adds to 2 to make 9?) ...seven.

(Sorry, this turned out longer than I had planned!)

WhenDoISleep · 28/01/2018 18:21

He definitely does understand what multiplication is and it turns out that he can write (with a few errors) them out correctly in the format 1 x 2 = 2, etc.

So what I'm going to get him to focus on in the next few weeks is being confident on the tables where he is still making a few errors and being able to confidently recite them and then I think I will use some of the suggestions from GetTheGoodLookingGuy to improve his confidence in recall. His school sounds similar in that they teach and test the tables in the same order as GetTheGoodLookingGuy lists, but they are only tested once a week (sometimes less, DS says he has only be tested once since the beginning of term) on which ever table each DC is focussing on at that point in time.

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reluctantbrit · 28/01/2018 19:35

We had quite a lot of success with the Squeebles app. Not just the times table but also the maths bingo as it practices all opérations. There is also one called “Mental maths”which you buy for each year group. We use it for Y6 now and DD really likes it.

lolalotta · 28/01/2018 19:50

reluctant is the app called "mental maths exercise"? I want to look at the right one!

reluctantbrit · 28/01/2018 20:10

It is Andrew Brodie Let’s do Mental Maths

PootlesLovelyHat · 28/01/2018 20:19

We just practiced over and over again in the car. We listen to commercial radio and every time the adverts came on we'd launch into them. So much so that my youngest DC learnt them at the same time as my eldest.

Both of them now love maths and it's their favourite subject. I also pinned a print out of them on the back of the bathroom door! There was no escape Wink

Supergran58 · 28/01/2018 21:10

A website called times tables rockstars. My lower attaining y5 class love it and have made phenomenal progress since September.

raindropsandsunshine · 28/01/2018 21:29

I also found a nice a4 sheet of times tables presented well, via google images. Laminated it and viola! A placemat. Wink

NewYearNewUsername · 28/01/2018 21:31

We have a time table poster on the back of the bathroom door... we are all getting really good at times tables now (although I know less about the ingredients of my shampoo than I used to)

raindropsandsunshine · 28/01/2018 21:36

My child loves 8x8 = 64 'I ate and I ate till I sicked on the floor' Confusedit works though!

lorisparkle · 28/01/2018 21:51

Like a couple of other pp I am rubbish at my times tables but have an A at maths A level. In theory you don’t need to know many times tables. The 2s and 3s are vital but then the 4s is just double the 2s, the 5s are half the 10s (which is just moving the number to the left) , the 6s is double the 3s, the 7s you do need to learn but if you reverse the sum you know most of the anyway, the 8s is double the 4s, the 9s you do the trick on your fingers, the 11s is the 10s add the 1s and the 12s is double the 6s. If you DC is struggling to learn them by rote then show them the tricks and show them how much the already know. When given a multiplication I don’t know I think what is the nearest multiplication I do know and work from there. If your dc could do that Then they wouldn’t get that rabbit in headlight moment.

christinarossetti · 29/01/2018 19:21

I did 'how many can you get in a minute?' with random questions every other day or so with my children. If they can't get the answer, encourage them to work it out so 9 x 7 is 10 x 7 - 7, or 8 x 7 = 7.

It's motivating to them how quickly they improve.

PotteryLottery · 29/01/2018 21:22

My Y4 DD doesn't know them as well as she could, and her local state school spends NO time practicing them, it is ALL up to parents to help. The school just tests weekly.

I thought there is going to be a national times table test in Y6...how can the school therefore not devote time to practice?

WhirlwindHugs · 29/01/2018 21:26

we practice a lot.

We use loads of different methods to keep it all going and interesting.

She remembers them for a bit.

We try and keep practicing.

Then she forgets them and gets upset and thinks she is bad at maths.

I recall that I never learnt mine properly and am still 'good at maths' and did A level maths at which point it was really no issue not to have them all completely by rote, and try not to worry about it so much.

I loathe the whole bloody thing.

Dolinathomsonapps · 29/01/2018 21:34

Well, there's an app called SuperfastMath that's quite good. Is lets you compete with kids to see who's the fastest at the mult tables.

Fenwickfan · 30/01/2018 11:19

I know Kumon is not very popular on Mumsnet, but it was amazing how fast my 7 year old learnt all his timetables after just a few months with Kumon. They often offer two weeks free trial, I would definitely give it a go.

TheNumberfaker · 30/01/2018 11:35

Rockstar times tables are fantastic. My now Y5 DD has made phenomenal progress with this. To be honest I have let her play around with the music playlist and 'buying' clothes/accessories for her Avatar a lot because if the child is positive towards and enjoys Maths they will make better progress.
med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2018/01/positive-attitude-toward-math-predicts-math-achievement-in-kids.html

GeorgeTheHamster · 30/01/2018 11:38

We used to do 5 mins Q and A after dinner. Every day.

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