Practice Sats Year 6 - what score should children in top groups be getting at this stage?

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Just that really, what score should children in top groups be getting at this stage in practice sats? What score is expected to be on track for a high score in May?

Top set varies so much though. At one school, 80% may pass 11+, so top set would be far more able than a school where only 3% pass. Your question is kind of meaningless.

And why do you care so much if they get a high score in may? The results are for schools...

RTFT! They're clearly not just for schools.

I do agree that the original question isn't sensible.

Also by the time you are in year 7 SATS really do mean bugger all
And why do you care so much if they get a high score in may? The results are for schools

Many secondary schools use NC assessment results to decide on sets and/or flight paths.

And ALL secondaries are set targets to meet using them.

No, not all Secondaries have targets to meet using sats.That is not true. What they do is use them and the cats to give them a rough idea of the minimum that the child should hopefully attain at GCSE. That is a ball park number.
Children are also given these rough numbers on subjects they have never even studied before so it is a nonsense and the targets are not set by teachers who have experience of teaching the child in that that subject. It is a machine number crunching exercise and not based on human beings.
It's all a load of of absolute bollocks.

No, not all Secondaries have targets to meet using sats.That is not true.

You are completely misinformed - the DfE sets all state schools targets based on progress measures which come DIRECTLY from KS2 results.

Not according to the deputy head at my kids' school.

The deputy head at your kids' school is also misinformed.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/progress-8-school-performance-measure

Every secondary school is measured on their pupils' peformance between KS2 tests and GCSEs. Where do you think their performance tables come from - using their own CAT tests as a baseline? They wish!

I hardly think he he is. I have had a recent discussion with him about this very subject. He told me that the predictions from ks2 were a guide only.

Gosh. The DfE must have got their performances measures and tables wrong then. I'll email them and tell them their entire accountability system is wrong because your deputy says so, shall I?

I hardly think.. That really made me laugh.

Every secondary school is measured on their pupils' peformance between KS2 tests and GCSEs
That's correct.

If that's what floats your boat.

Around us all the secondaries do their own tests to set with and don't use SATs. I've heard quite a few people say some schools cheat at SATS and suspect that's why all the local schools here retest but annoying for the poor kids who have to sit two sets of tests. Start of y8 there's CATs exams on top.

They can do their own tests as much as they like - and obviously good schools will use those and their teacher assessment to change groups accordingly - but the fact remains that every secondary will be measured using their progress from KS2 tests.

Feenie- why are you being so aggressive? Not all secondaries are measured on progress by dfe, independent schools for example are not [pedant]
Also- DfE have failed to prescribe progress for children sitting KS2 under the new regime. Oh, that's right, they'll tell us what progress the cohort should have made after they've sat their GCSEs? That will fucking help with target setting, won't it?
So, no- DfE have not set any state targets for any Y7s or Y8s, other than "your school should make expected progress, but no-one knows what that will be for four more years"!

Exactly.

Quite hard to make expected process in a subject you’ve yet to study. Thast’s why The deputy explained that the ‘expected ‘ gsce predictions are merely that, predictions based on not just data but cats and teacher assessment. But what the hell does he know? He’s only been doing the job a trillion years.

Feenie did say all STATE schools have Dfe targets set from KS2 results, which is quite correct. Clearly not all children will have KS2 results but, presumably the OP's child will, and so GCSE targets will be set from them.

My yr 6 ds Sat a maths paper at school this week. No idea of how he did but parents evening is next month so will be told then if he is on track to meet expectations. I am just pleased he wrote something on the paper because he has been crippled by anxiety and left the whole thing blank on any kind of test last year.

And ALL secondaries are set targets to meet using them.
This post was earlier than her "state school" qualifier, spaniel.
As I said, I was being pedantic.
There are some schools in my LA where 50% of Y7 intake have no KS2 results, so should they set no targets for those pupils because DfE will omit them from the Prog8 measure?

Well, of course not! But that doesn't mean that the Dfe don't set progress targets for those that DO have KS2 results

All state secondary schools have targets set for them from KS2 results. That is an entirely correct statement.

You can be pedantic if you like, but it makes you look a bit daft. There will be targets for those Y7 and 8 children who sat KS2 tests, which is actually what the thread is about, and the dfe will make schools hold schools to account if they don't meet them.

What you can't do is claim that it isn't true because your deputy head says so - not if you want to be taken seriously, anyway.

Dd has been taking practice SATs at school this week. I assume it's to see what they need to work on throughout the year. I've got a dd in Year 9 and they were quite good at not making SATs stressful last time and took them on a fun school residential shortly before them which they are doing again. I suppose having done the practice Sats the kids know what to expect and if any get stressed they can tell them they've already done it and it was fine etc.

There will be targets for those Y7 and 8 children who sat KS2 tests
Yes, but when will the dfe do that? Because they have so far refused to divulge what the expectations for progress from the new KS2 to KS4 will look like.