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Starting reception, ASD diagnosis

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PaddedRoomForOnePlease · 12/08/2017 11:01

DD received a diagnosis of ASD a few weeks ago. She starts reception at the beginning of September. When would be best to meet the teacher and discuss the ASD and how she is affected by it? I was thinking second or third week after the initial settling in or should I make contact sooner? The whole class will be full time from day one, no phased start.

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Lowdoorinthewal1 · 12/08/2017 14:13

I would go straight for the SENCo TBH as this person has experience and control of the resources and can ensure things are put into place and support the teacher if necessary.

The teacher may be inexperienced- either new to teaching or just not familiar with autism- and therefore may not act on OPs information effectively.

GreatWhites · 12/08/2017 14:13

As a class teacher, I'd want a face-to-face meeting too.

Bobbins43 · 12/08/2017 14:22

Sorry, I realise that that isn't the process for everyone. My son's school were incredible and we were supported throughout his time there before he moved on to a special school.

I'm sorry for everyone who has had a harder time of it. It's fucking awful not getting the professional support you need

mrz · 12/08/2017 14:34

Ask if you can arrange a meeting with the class teacher and the SENCo and ask whoever is leading the multidisciplinary assessment team to copy the SENCo into any reports as they won't do this automatically.

PaddedRoomForOnePlease · 12/08/2017 16:11

Thanks for all the info. This is all very new to us as we just thought she was a very difficult child. No one (friends, family) believe she has autism despite professional diagnosis so I guess I feel like I'm making a fuss and was expecting the teacher to think I'm just another parent excusing their child's bad behaviour. It's good to hear that teachers would want to know and would actually want to help her.

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SerfTerf · 12/08/2017 16:13

If they don't help, you'll NEED to make a fuss.

But giving specific, concrete examples of daily routines, challenges, solutions etc is a good start and easier for them to work from than professional reports.

Lowdoorinthewal1 · 12/08/2017 16:20

You might find she is not such a difficult child when you put some autism specific strategies in and get her anxieties down.

It's obviously been a shock, but honestly, it will be OK. I am a specialist ASD teacher and my pupils are just the most amazing people, I like them better than I like a lot of NT people! They do sometimes need extra support because they don't find the conformity expected in school or the sensory overload it brings with it easy, but they have bright futures ahead of them in a world that is becoming ever increasingly accepting of neurodiversity.

Fairylea · 12/08/2017 16:23

Op if your child is very affected by their asd and will need substantial support in school you could apply for an echp for them yourself now through your local council. An echp (education and health care plan) is a new and more comprehensive version of a statement which gives them the right to more support at school than can usually be provided - a 1 to 1 equivalent or lots of specific support (small group work, time out breaks etc). Please google Ipsea website about this - lots of information there.

An echp can take a minimum of 20 weeks - most take longer so I would certainly consider doing that now. You don't need the schools support to apply contrary to popular belief.

My son is 5 and has asd and I applied for an echp for him 2 years ago and we finally got the final draft a year ago. It took a very long time. We turned down all mainstream places offered and fought to get him a place at an autism specific school. He starts in September.

The one thing I have really learnt being a parent of a child with asd is that you have to fight for everything- google is your best friend. Look up everything, apply for everything.

Fairylea · 12/08/2017 16:29

Also I thought I would mention that you may be entitled to dla if you haven't already applied for it- having this is a useful way of demonstrating to people including teachers and those in the echp department that your child has substantial needs. You can find out more about claiming dla (disability living allowance) and getting suppprt at school at the National Autisitc Society website and also the cerebra website (they do a very good dla guide). You can google both.

littleducks · 12/08/2017 16:30

Sounds like a real shock for you. I expect you are still taking it all in.

Have you been on the NAS website they may have a local branch in your area which offers Earlybird courses or has a parent paxk with local info. Also I would contact your HV even if you haven't seen them in years they may be able to offer you advice about what is available locally. Also look into applying for DLA and you may need to apply for an EHCP probably very difficult to know at this stage how she will react to school.

ASDismynormality · 12/08/2017 16:34

I agree to let the school know before she starts. In all honesty there will be other children with SN that the school or even parents aren't aware of but it's good to let the school know so they can help straight away.

DixieNormas · 12/08/2017 16:37

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BackforGood · 12/08/2017 16:45

I agree with everyone else to suggest that you contact the school now - it's a good idea as you have stated, to both e-mail and to leave a phone message.
Various people will be in over the holidays, but not necessarily with access to the phone messages, or to the SENCo's e-mail, so best to go for a 'belt and braces' approach h in the hope someone will pick it up Smile.
The school will want to know as much as they can before she starts. Offer to go in and meet them before school starts - they may well like to meet you on the training days they'll have before school starts.

This has obviously been a shock to you.
There are loads of people on MN who can answer your questions when you have a chance to process things a bit. Do come back.

tartanterror · 12/08/2017 21:55

Gosh you must be reeling. Most parents have to fight for a diagnosis or it can take a couple of years so it sounds like you are doing fairly well. However as you have seen post diagnosis support may be minimal. It took 5 months for our letter to arrive, so as others have said get in touch with the SENCO to arrange a meeting with them and the class teacher. Don't wait for papers.

After that however, it is anyone's guess as to what will happen as it will totally depend on your class teacher. We had only suspicions (no diagnosis) when our DS started school. Nursery clearly had suspicions (noone said directly tho) and they recommended extra settling. I did that by getting photos of the classroom and showing them to DS over the summer. You might be able to do this via office staff over the summer if you phone up.

Our DS' transition into school was pretty good - but he doesn't have issues with noise. If your daughter is bothered by loud noises buy some ear defenders straightaway. If she is bothered by smells then consider asking for somewhere she can eat lunch outside the dining hall. Often it is the free time outside classroom where activities are unstructured, that are the times that our kids struggle.

Get yourself a copy of the Incredible Years by Webster Stratton (?) and experiment with the techniques there. Get used to pre-warning of all transitions (that can be anything from 10 minutes to a year for my DS!!), countdowns and visual timetables. You can start the timetables now by getting a free pdf calendar online and stick images on there related to what you will be doing: holiday/home/friends/camping and have school on there too so she sees it is coming and that it will be ongoing.... A daily calendar might be useful for school start itself as she can then see get up, get dressed, breakfast, brush teeth, shoes on, walk to school, school, pick up, home, supper, bath....... etc etc It depends on her particular needs. All kids are different and you just have to figure it out - work backwards from the meltdowns and keep notes to see if you can guess what the source of the problem is... this can take a long time and be for bizarre reasons. Often there are sensory issues - overload or understimulation - in which case exercises (again google is your friend) can help before and after school.

Look up Asperger Experts and use their safe space/quiet time for decompression when you get home. If she is the sort of child who can hold it in at school you will have kickback at home. WE have the reverse, which isn't ideal as without a diagnosis this usually means that parenting skill is brought into question and lots of people suggest trad discipline - which will actually make things kick off much worse.

Really if you have an idea of what upsets her, make a list to discuss with the school. Is she OK with being touched? strong smells? sounds? will she cope in the dinner hall etc?

Aside from this there are some curriculum areas where ASD usually shows up:

  • Difficulties with PE - gross motor skills/balance. We have been doing the exercises from Robin Pauc's Brain Food Plan book (none of the food bits tho) and I wish I had found those earlier.
  • Handwriting - fine motor or hypermobile fingers. issues with balance making it tricky to sit properly on a chair. Schools seem to show children a font and demonstrate how to make the shape of letters to teach handwriting. There are motor problems which form part of ASD which mean this method doesn't work well for lots of kids. My DS can't watch someone move and then copy their movement. I wish someone had told us about Magic Link earlier. It is expensive but it helped DS immensely. From Year 3 I would also say go for touch typing lessons and ask for a NeoSmart keyboard in class. DS just did a trial and produced 8 beautiful sentences with lovely vocab, spelling, punctuation and grammar - never before seen when he was using a pencil. It's not ideal but the keyboard really reduces the physical burden so they can deal with the cognitive issues of writing stories.
  • Disorganisation of self/materials and problems following multi-step instructions. Timetables and planners should help.
  • Off task behaviour - probably the core deficit. These kids just can't bring their attention to non-preferred topics - ie the lesson - if it is not of personal interest to them. If find this infuriating in DS. God knows how the teachers keep their cool with it. Our DS is given rewards of computer time to complete his work and he is allowed to write stories on his specialist subject (most of the time) no matter what the class topic is. This works brilliantly now but so far no one at school has been able to explain how this is going to be phased out towards secondary transfer as it's just not a sustainable long term solution :(
  • English curriculum - as time goes on written work has to include character, point of view and perspective. Yep - more core deficits.... Amanda Hartington has a nice Aspie-friendly book called I Hate Writing Stories which might be worth a look in a year or two.
  • Inability to Self Advocate/Ask for help - instead their issues will come out in behaviour. At best this is uncooperative and odd. At worst it is violent. In the face of bizarre or unacceptable behaviours
it is essential to remain calm and work out what early factors have led to the situation. Sometimes it can be immediately before, other times it is weeks or years. The best way of dealing with it is by good planning - to avoid the problem initially and over time allow slow desensitisation. However I would say that mainstream schools just don't get this, and if they do just don't have the time.
  • Social Mistakes - in the early years this isn't too much of a problem with peers. Especially if the teacher is good on explaining differences to the class and that everyone has different strengths/weaknesses/likes/dislikes (our Y2 teacher was brilliant with this and we still benefit from her legacy on this).

Sorry that was much longer than I expected to type. I just tried to run through all of the things I wish I had known 4 years ago. I thought the school would know what to do - but they didn't. I've had to press for every little bit of support. I was told he was too able for an EHCP. So I applied and he now has one with top up funds. I'm really not a pushy person and it's been hard learning to be assertive. On the other hand I have learned so much these past 2 years and met some amazing people. The future for our kids will be good if we can get them the write support - I see my job as getting him through school with as little collateral damage as possible and if I can get him to uni, and into a niche, he will fly. There are a hell of a lot of people at my work who are probably too old to have been diagnosed. They are all successful. The textbooks only cover the bad stories because they haven't had long enough to hear the good ones yet. Good luck - it is going to be OK!

tartanterror · 12/08/2017 21:56

right not write!

GreatWhites · 12/08/2017 22:33

@tartanterror

That post was wonderful Flowers Thank you for the book recommendations.

BellaGoth · 13/08/2017 08:05

tartan I hope you don't mind but I'm printing your post out and sticking it in my journal!

TheSnorkMaidenReturns · 13/08/2017 09:03

@tartanterror that's a fabulous post. My older Aspie wasn't dx until year4/5. I wish I'd known all that from reception!

OP there are good resources on the NAS website too. If you are having problems with friends and family, you can send them some links. There's a short film for example.

I know it's early days for you but we found it has been easier to be 'out & proud' about autism. So the child knows, and can tell people, they're not ashamed etc. And gradually you hope the grandparents will pick up on this.

tartanterror · 13/08/2017 09:28

Thanks! Glad to help as I've had loads of help from MN in the past!

mrz · 13/08/2017 09:54

There's a lot of new research about how girls with autism differ from boys (which has historically led to misdiagnosis or non diagnosis of girls). I'm sure there's some on the NAS sight.
http://www.reachoutasc.com/blog/have-you-noticed-girls-on-the-autistic-spectrum

PaddedRoomForOnePlease · 13/08/2017 22:11

Thank you for the responses, especially tartanterror. I've emailed the school and will leave a voicemail first thing tomorrow. Belt and braces as a PP said.

At the diagnosis meeting we were given a pile of leaflets so I have bookmarked all the relevent websites. We were also given details of someone to assist with the DLA form from an ASD perspective. I wasn't aware of Early Bird though as I've not gone through all of the NAS website yet. There is no team in our area but there is in the next county.

I did the Incredible Years course a couple of years ago as I was struggling with her behaviour and still have the book. I've just started reading Prof Ross Greene's Explosive Child book. I will have a further look into how girls present differently to boys. Gosh so much research to do.

If I remember rightly the school have a room for children who need to ?decompress, not sure that is the right term. That would be beneficial to her.

I'm just shattered with day to day behaviour management, it's our 'norm' and I feel daunted by having to account for all her peculiarities and how I work around them to minimise her challenging behaviour.

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tartanterror · 13/08/2017 23:04

I know - the research and pre-emptive behaviour management is tiring.

I hope it works out OK. You will not know until you try. A friend of mine has a PDA child who is perfect at school and a nightmare at home. Another friend has a child who becomes violent when stressed and they are thinking that a specialist/NAS placement might be better. Best of luck!

user789653241 · 13/08/2017 23:09

tartanterror, I couldn't agree more to others. Great post.
My ds doesn't have a diagnosis, but I am pretty sure he is on the spectrum. Such a helpful and informative post. Thank you.

PaddedRoomForOnePlease · 13/08/2017 23:19

Yup she's very much a PDA child. DD was diagnosed under DSM 5 so just ASD diagnosis, no other terms given. She is high functioning but I assumed just non-compliant. She was like it from the moment she was born so I know no different. She does play up for others though so that (selfishly) makes me feel better.

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BackforGood · 13/08/2017 23:49

I'm just shattered with day to day behaviour management, it's our 'norm' and I feel daunted by having to account for all her peculiarities and how I work around them to minimise her challenging behaviour.

Might I suggest you start writing a list / some notes for yourself, so you can put together some bullet points before you meet with the school ? Try to quantify things she does rather than using words like often / sometimes / a lot / rarely, as one person's 'norm' is very different from the next, and, as you say, what you have come to consider a 'normal' or even a 'good' day might be very different from an average day of her peers. Areas that you might have just got used to, and adjusted around, maybe such as things she will won't eat, or if things have to be in a particular order, or from a particular plate, or her needing a warning before change, etc.,etc.
Then when you meet the teacher and SENCo, you will have notes and won't forget crucial things. Smile

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