No SATs results for year 2

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We had my DDs report on Friday and were led to believe that the SATs results would be included on it but there was nothing. It is normal for parents to go into school on Monday morning but not allowed today and I had planned to ask class teacher about it this morning.

I felt the report was sort of lacking in lots of ways, it was just one sheet of A4 and just factual information, the class teacher is leaving the school at the end of term and it sort of felt like she was ready to go and put little effort into it.

Going back to my DD, she's been down as high ability since end of reception and in this report it says she's secure across the whole range of lessons. There are no exceeding areas. I kind of feel like I've let her down, not done enough with her at home and she's not going to be high ability anymore.

.......Maybe I'm just having a stressful time with work and feel like I've lost the balance a bit and maybe DD has suffered.

Anyone else with a year 2 and can share your experiences. Thanks

My DD was exceeding everything apart from 1 in reception

Just expected jn year 2. Is a high ability class (all professional parents). But I know some children did get working in greater depth.

I do feel disappointed. She reads amazingly and is very bright.

But hey I'm not a teacher.

The SATS results as in the exam results? Most schools do not routinely pass them on to parents, only upon request. Because the exam results are ONLY one piece of evidence among hundreds across the year, that inform the teacher assessment of the child at end of KS1. This teacher assessment is what is reported to the parents and to the government, is what progress to KS2 will be measured from, is what schools will be compared on. Not the exam results.

You can ask for the exam results and they are obliged to give them to you.

Yes it's disappointing when a school report is completely formal and doesn't seem to capture the child at all. It is nice to have some personal comments.

Could indeed be that the teacher has internally already left, but also possible that it is being prescribed to her what she can and cannot write into a report. Maybe she is leaving precisely because the school's leadership reduces children to figures and results, and she is not happy with that?

Thank you for your reply pawpatrolfan I feel like we have had very similar experiences. I feel like I can't really say anything to other parents because how bad would that sound if their children weren't on expected/secure

Also brilliotic your spot on with what you say, about not giving out the SATs results and the teacher having already internally left, there is a very high turn over of class teachers at the school and l think your right as to why this is.
I do feel better after letting it out, so thanks again both :)

What was the report like last year? If it was the same then you can't blame it on the teacher leaving (unless they were too) and it might be school policy.

(I admit our experience couldn't be more different to your)

DS is year 2. He has "at expected level" for everything and no exceedings despite getting very high scores (teacher told all parents individually at parents evening). For example he got 39/40 on the spag test.

The reason she hasn't put him down/ entered him as exceeding is that he would be expected to maintain this level in the year 6 SATS and she feels this is unnecessary pressure on him. He is the kind of child who can have his confidence knocked if he feels unsure of things.

So maybe the teacher is trying not to put pressure on your DD? Have a chat with the teacher and see.

I also think the school can be marked down if they score a child as exceeding in year 2 results and they fall back to as expected in year 6. So it's probably a strategic decision too.

I think it's a whole lot of nonsense. I think a good parent can tell if their child is doing fine or struggling.

I hope that was your question and I've explained clearly?!

DS is year 2. He has "at expected level" for everything and no exceedings despite getting very high scores (teacher told all parents individually at parents evening). For example he got 39/40 on the spag test.

The reason she hasn't put him down/ entered him as exceeding is that he would be expected to maintain this level in the year 6 SATS and she feels this is unnecessary pressure on him. He is the kind of child who can have his confidence knocked if he feels unsure of things.

So maybe the teacher is trying not to put pressure on your DD? Have a chat with the teacher and see.

I also think the school can be marked down if they score a child as exceeding in year 2 results and they fall back to as expected in year 6. So it's probably a strategic decision too.

I think it's a whole lot of nonsense. I think a good parent can tell if their child is doing fine or struggling.

I hope that was your question and I've explained clearly?!

Sorry for exceeding read working at greater depth. I forget the lingo!

I asked my DS's teacher why the results weren't in with the report and she tried to fob me off with a lot of waffle, so I asked again if they were available and they are but you must ask for them.

I am getting them after school today, the teacher asked me not to mention this to other parents though as she thought 'they wouldn't understand them'!

i think they just can't be bothered with working them all out. She is leaving the school this week too.

So if a child in Y2 (age 6/7) gets marked at working at greater depth within a subject, it looks bad on them/the school if they aren't still working at greater depth within that subject 4 years later?

If so not so stealth boast coming DS's teacher must have a lot of faith in him as she marked him as working at greater depth in reading, writing and maths.

For interest his school automatically provided a full breakdown of test marks and the scaled scores.

I do get the 'they wouldn't understand them' angle - I think many parents do in fact not understand them. And as they do not matter in any way, why waste time explaining them to everybody?

Our school did routinely provide the test results along with the teacher assessments and the school-internal end-of-year report. With the result that I noticed incongruences and mistakes! They failed to add up the scores from the two maths papers correctly ... and the TA sheet says 'expected' for writing whereas the school-internal report says 'greater depth'. So indeed giving me all this info will result in my contacting the teacher to find out which one is correct!

Captain what your school is doing, although couched in terms of it being for your child's sake, is basically cheating. Manipulating the stats so they will look better to OFSTED. I agree with you that it is a whole lot of nonsense, but do still disagree with cheating!

And although your child may currently struggle with pressure, maybe by Y6 he will thrive from having high expectations? Except that the school, who is clearly obsessed with the data, will focus on getting those children over the threshold that need it for the data's sake, and leave him plodding on below what he might achieve.

I had the same experience last year - especially with being categorised as exceeding expectations in yR and y1 but only meeting at end of y2. End of y3 back up to exceeding. I can't help wondering if this is part of some statistics massage - if they are judged on the amount of progress between y2 sats and y6 sats then it is in their interests to mark harshly in y2?

But yes you can get the actual sats scores on request. They are relatively meaningless without info about the spread of scores though.

They say that is why Junior Schools find it harder to get good progress results compared to Primary Schools. Their incoming children were assessed by their Infant Schools, who, if anything, have in interest in inflating the Y2 results - they are their final results. Whereas the Primary School won't inflate Y2 results and can even choose to deflate them, thus making it really easy to achieve great progress scores.

Yes, I agree that's it's manipulation of stats for Ofsted.

I don't particularly care about this but if he's not being stretched in the next few years I will care and make it an issue (nicely) with his teachers.

Problem is that it's quite a deprived area and some children achieve by just getting to school on time so the more able children who get on with things and don't create challenges can be overlooked. (We are trying to move him but the better school is full.)

If you think TA was manipulated, why don't you complain

if you have clear evidence dc's are exceeding but getting expected?
Or at least clarify with teacher?

The tests don't test greater depth, only expected. A greater depth award comes from teacher assessment. 39/40 in the (optional) SPAG test indicates a very good expected in the SPAG test. That's it. It doesn't mean a child is a greater depth writer.

Not impressed with the teacher's excuses though.

I see, thanks feenie

Ds (Y2) received his report with the following:
Teacher Assessment / SATS results.
DS assessed as working at greater depth within the expected level for reading and expected level for everything else.
We didn't receive the actual scores from the tests.

Just to add our School had quite poor progress figures last year so I'm thinking this indicates that they don't massage the figures?
I think DS is a great little reader but I wouldn't have questioned the assessment had it been expected level as he has been assessed at expected for reading in Reception and Y1.

Asked the teacher why DS got 'working at expected standard' for writing on the overview sheet, and 'working at greater depth within the expected standard' in the text/elaborations. Teacher explained that the overview sheet is what was submitted in June, when the deadline for SATS submissions was (so what progress will officially be measured from); whereas DS apparently made progress/provided evidence SINCE then for her to assess him as 'greater depth' now, at the end of the school year.

In my self-educated, but lay opinion he was not and is still not working at 'greater depth' in writing, so I am quite pleased that he was marked as 'expected standard' officially.