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Is this cheating on sats

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user1484655514 · 11/05/2017 11:53

My sons class have 3 children who have a statement however 10 of the class have been taken each day to do their sats with teachers support. I totally understand children with a SEN need all the support they can get but a third of the class doesn't sound right to me ? Is this because the better primary schools in London seem to get more affluent parents so spend more in the school ?

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nuttyknitter · 11/05/2017 12:02

Is this Y2 or Y6? If it's Y2 it's exactly how it's meant to be done.

Floggingmolly · 11/05/2017 12:03

They're supposed to have teacher support?? Not at our school

LooksLikeImStuckHere · 11/05/2017 12:08

For all you know, there could be 3 children with statements (EHCPs) and 7 children on school support. Some children need support, some just need a quieter room and some need every question reading to them or someone to scribe.

The school will be moderated on a regular basis and will probably have a better handle on the rules than you. Not meaning to be rude, just stating facts!

user1484655514 · 11/05/2017 12:12

Surely if they needed extra support it wouldn't only be during sats week seems odd so many from 1 class, but agree I have no knowledge just smells fishy to me

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RedSkyAtNight · 11/05/2017 12:14

DD's school takes children who work better in a quieter environment into a small room with a teacher during SATS. AFAIK this doesn't mean they get any extra support! (They also can't physically fit everyone in the hall, so makes sense to cherry pick the children that won't be in there!)

LooksLikeImStuckHere · 11/05/2017 12:18

Honestly, it's not fishy at all. It happens in almost all schools (that do SATs).

Thing is, doing the SATs is an exam. The same exam for all children. In class, work is differentiated and matched to what the children can do. If it takes child A, 25 mins to read and answer a maths paper, it could take Child B 1 hour because they don't read as fast but they could be just as able at maths. The idea of support is to enable a level playing field for all children.

Saucery · 11/05/2017 12:24

The support is extra time (clearly defined and monitored), reading out questions and smaller quieter rooms. Breaks if needed under 1:1 supervision and alone. No cheating involved

viques · 11/05/2017 12:25

The school will also be aware of children who will find it hard to maintain focus for the whole of the test because they will only manage to answer about half of the questions. By sitting them out of the main hall they can keep them occupied and calm by stopping their test and letting them read or draw without disturbing the others. SATs are stressful enough for everyone without making them miserable for everyone too.

Flogging Molly some children do get additional support, ie they can have the questions read for them (under very regulated conditions) though obviously not for the reading test! they might also have a scribe, again with very specific regulations attached. For what it is worth the tests are about testing knowledge not about the ability to sit tests.

In my experience the schools that cheat on tests do so in far more devious ways than having a few children seated in another room.

user1484655514 · 11/05/2017 12:34

Thanks ladies I feel better now

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Light69 · 11/05/2017 12:38

My dd2 is doing year 6 SATs this week, she has been taking her in the head teachers office with support from her. The reason for this is she is partially sighted and as she needs the SATs papers in large print format she is entitled to unlimited time. I must say this has caused a bit of drama at dd's school as other parents put it down to favouritism because dd knows no different and copes so well with her sight loose lots of people were unaware of the issues and it is actually known of there business. I don't see this as unfair at all whatever as hings are alot harder for dd than a full sighted child. Just because dd2 has a sight impairment doesn't mean she is stupid or that she needs to go to a special school it just means sometimes she needs a few adjustments making.

Floggingmolly · 11/05/2017 12:38

Oh yes, I knew that, viques. I was stunned at the suggestion that the entire class would have teacher support throughout the test, though.
Maybe I misunderstood nuttyknitter's comment?

cansu · 11/05/2017 17:26

extra time. They have to do it separately as they have an extra ten minutes or whatever. It isn't cheating and it applies to a small number of children who meet the criteria.

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