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"big maths" what on earth is it?

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Arkadia · 19/03/2017 16:57

My DD1 is now in P3 (Y2 for those south of the border) and despite having attended a workshop on Big Maths and tried to peruse their website, I am still none the wiser as to what "big maths" is or entails or what their goals are.
I know the weekly "beat that" and the "clic sheet", but that aside... what does it all actually mean? My understanding is that children are pretty much required to learn by rote all sort of sums under 20 (and that sounds to me like a waste of time, if I have to tell you the truth), and so far little else has been done.
OK, at school they do some other stuff. For example last week they talked about angles (but I am not sure it is part of Big Maths), the week before about 3-D shapes. In the past the talked about quarters and halves. However, nothing resembling a... multiplication. Some months ago they did sums with carry overs (we are in P3...) and that seemed like a BIG achievement.
Instead at home every week we are sent some "facts" to learn, such as
5+4
6+7
(this is from last week. In case you have forgotten, we are in P3...).
When I asked the teacher about it, the answer was that they are following what "big maths" (related to Big Brother perhaps) says to do. But how can you learn by rote 5+4 and 6+7 when taken in isolation? it makes much more sense to spend half an hour or more on Sumdog (big craze here now...) than to try and remember these weekly "facts".
Ah, the whole class is doing the same thing, so no differentiation work.
Note that where I am from by the end of Year 2 you are supposed to have done all the times tables and be able to do the 4 operations (add up any two numbers, take away almost any two numbers, multiply and divide any number by a 1 digit number), so perhaps this is what confuses me most...

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Arkadia · 19/03/2017 21:04

Thing is, i would be expecting that after 2.5 years of school they would be doing things that my P1 would find demanding, but not...

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user789653241 · 19/03/2017 21:11

I don't think the problem is the scheme they use or whatever, it seems to me it's more to do with how your dc's school do things, from few of your recent threads.

Arkadia · 19/03/2017 21:28

To me "early years" means the first 2-3 years :)
I got very flustered because DD1 couldn't understand the place value house, but later I realized that I was at fault because many children have huge problems with that, which stems wit he confusion generated by the concept of "0". It all stems from the way children "see" numbers, or, should I say, quantities. It is a fascinating subject.

For example, a BIG a-ha moment was discovering that the number line is the work of the devil :D A line that starts with "0" will create more problems than it solves (she was given one in P2 by the teacher), but until I had it explained I couldn't see it. For example, what is a number? Is it a little vertical line or is it a jump between two lines? I can see now how detrimental that could be especially at the beginning. And all because there is a "0".

Now with DD2 I am more clued up and I ask better questions, and in turn I get much better replies :)

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Arkadia · 19/03/2017 21:30

Irvine, I am glad that at least that transpired :)

(sorry for the mixed up replies... I should have had added a quote at the beginning).

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user789653241 · 19/03/2017 21:36

No, it was very clear from other posts already.

user789653241 · 19/03/2017 21:42

1: talk to school and try to change how they do things. or
2: give up and teach/extend your dc yourself. or
3: home school. or
4: change school!

Arkadia · 19/03/2017 21:50

1 - already tried. They say that's the normal way.
2 - doing that (it is not going to be any damage. BIG alarm bells were ringing when she told me one day that she didn't understand/like maths. No child of mine may say that ;) )
3 - not an option. Not really qualified enough, but more importantly, who would have the patience.
4 - we thought about it, but is a different school going to be any different? And also, given the teacher lottery, who knows if next year everything is going to be better.

Consider that I was told that (just a few years back. A woman in her 30s told me) children coming out of my primary were some kind of swots/bookworms because they knew (and I kid you not), the TIMETABLES!!!
I have been wondering how many kids coming out of my primary (and secondary which is next door) end up at Oxbridge...

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mrz · 20/03/2017 05:47

Scotland has a very different curriculum to England so I imagine the cause of your frustration is in part down to the curriculum expectations.

attheendoftheday · 21/03/2017 20:52

My dd1 in Y1 does Big Maths and I hate it. There is a lot of emphasis on rote learning rather than calculating. I both see it as worthless (and I have a degree in maths) and responsible for killing all passion for maths.

I discussed it with both the teacher and the head, they said they recognised the was a poor system but weren't in a position to buy it a different system. Now I just ignore all homework relating to Big Maths and teach dd1 maths myself.

mrz · 22/03/2017 05:30

Attheendoftheday you have been well and truly fobbed off!

attheendoftheday · 22/03/2017 17:47

Yes, I know. The school has a number of problems. But we're managing by doing work at home.

I would change school but we're rural with no viable alternative (it's a 40 min drive to the next school). Keep toying with home educating but it's difficult when I work.

So I suppose Big Maths is the least of our problems, but it is one that irritates me regularly.

mrz · 22/03/2017 18:25

Big Maths should only take a few minutes a day and homework isn't necessary

user789653241 · 22/03/2017 21:16

Yes, ds never had any Big Maths homework. I don't even know what it is involved since they only done it at school!

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