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Still no support for dyslexic dd

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Sleeperandthespindle · 28/01/2017 07:39

I've posted several times about this. DD (7 in y3) is dyslexic. Her spelling is not improving at all. The last piece of work I saw, a really long and good piece for her - 3 paragraphs - had every word (except for 'said', 'and', 'the' spelled wrong at least once.

I have been meeting teacher and SENCO half termly all year. Nothing they agree to or suggest is put in place and continued. They provide something for a week or two and then it stops.

Currently they have said they can give her a session with a TA twice a week. This has happened 5 times since the beginning of December. They can't tell me what she's been doing with the TA, or what is planned for them to do.

I am at the end of my tether with worry for her. To make it all worse, I am a teacher myself and know exactly what would help. I can also see that she is weaker in spelling than practically every other child I have taught (unless they have had SLD or ESL). None of my expertise is helping (and I do approach the school as a concerned parent, not as a know-it-all). Efforts at home are not working (other than reading) as she is not able after a long day to tolerate more work, and I am not prepared to push this if the same strategies are not followed in school.

What do I do now? Meetings are not helping!

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mrz · 29/01/2017 13:54

EXAMPLES OF DEFINITIONS
1. Examples from government sources:

  • Special Education Review Committee Report (Ireland), 1993:
Specific learning disability is a term used for the purposes of this Report to describe impairments in specific areas such as reading, writing, spelling and arithmetical notation, the primary cause of which is not attributable to assessed ability being below the average range, to defective sight or hearing, emotional factors, a physical condition or to any extrinsic adverse circumstances.
  • The Code of Practice on the Identification and Assessment of Special Educational Needs (Northern Ireland), 1996:
Some children may have significant difficulties in reading, writing, spelling or manipulating numbers, which is not typical of their general level of performance, especially in other areas of the curriculum. They may gain some skills in some subjects quickly and demonstrate a high level of ability orally, yet may encounter sustained difficulty in gaining literacy or numeracy skills. Such children can become severely frustrated and may also have emotional and/or behavioural difficulties.
  • The Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (USA), 1997:
The term ‘specific learning disability’ means a disorder in one or more of the basic psychological processes involved in understanding and using language, spoken or written, which disorder may manifest in imperfect ability to listen, think, speak, read, write, spell or do mathematical calculations. Such term includes such conditions as perceptual disabilities, brain injury, minimal brain dysfunction, dyslexia, and developmental aphasia. Such term does not include a learning problem that is primarily the result of visual, hearing, or motor disabilities, of mental retardation, of emotional disturbance, or of environmental, cultural, or economic disadvantage.
  • National Institute of Child Health and Development (USA), 1994:
Dyslexia is a specific learning disability that is neurobiological in origin. It is characterized by difficulties with accurate and/or fluent word recognition and by poor spelling and decoding abilities. These difficulties typically result from a deficit in the phonological component of language that is often unexpected in relation to other cognitive abilities and the provision of effective classroom instruction. Secondary consequence may include problems in reading comprehension and reduced reading experience that can impede growth of vocabulary and background knowledge.
  • ICD-10 Diagnostic Criteria for the Diagnosis of Specific Reading Disorder (W.H.O. Diagnostic Criteria for Research), 1992:
A score on reading accuracy and/or comprehension that is at least 2 standard errors of prediction below the level expected on the basis of the child’s chronological age and general intelligence, with both reading skills and IQ assessed on an individually administered test standardized for the child’s culture and educational system.
  • The Code of Practice in Education (Hong Kong Equal Opportunity Commission), 2001:
Developmental dyslexia (SpLD) refers to a child’s severe and persistent difficulty in the acquisition of reading (word recognition) and dictation /spelling skills which is not commensurate with his/her overall ability to respond to the “thinking, reasoning and understanding” aspects of the curriculum. SpLD has a neurological basis, and is not caused by a lack of learning opportunity, severe emotional or behavioural disturbance or handicapping conditions such as intellectual or sensory/motor impairment. Problems with memory, organisation, handwriting, arithmetic, speech and language and attention deficits can co-occur.
  • Committee of the Health Council of the Netherlands, 1997:
Dyslexia is present when the automatisation of word identification (reading) and/or word spelling does not develop or does so very incompletely or with great difficulty. 2. Examples from dyslexia and other organisations:
  • British Dyslexia Association, 2001:
Dyslexia is a combination of abilities and difficulties that affect the learning process in one or more of reading, spelling and writing. Accompanying weaknesses may be identified in areas of speed of processing, short term memory, sequencing, auditory and/or visual perception, spoken language and motor skills. It is particularly related to mastering and using written language, which may include alphabetic, numeric and musical notation.
  • The Adult Dyslexia Organisation (UK), 1999:
Dyslexia may be caused by a combination of phonological, visual and auditory processing deficits. Word retrieval and speed of processing difficulties may also be present. A number of possible underlying biological causes of these cognitive deficits have been identified and it is probable that in any one individual there may be several causes. Whilst the dyslexic individual may experience difficulties in the acquisition of reading, writing and spelling they can be taught strategies and alternative learning methods to overcome most of these and other difficulties. Every dyslexic person is different and should be treated as an individual. Many show talents actively sought by employers and the same factors that cause literacy difficulties may also be responsible for highlighting positive attributes - such as problem solving which can tap resources which lead to more originality and creativity.
  • International Dyslexia Association (USA), 1996:
Dyslexia is a neurologically-based, familial disorder which interferes with the acquisition and processing of linguistic information, varying in degrees of severity. It is manifested by difficulties in receptive and expressive language, including phonological processing, reading, writing, spelling and sometimes arithmetic. Dyslexia may occur concomitantly with other limiting factors such as lack of motivation, sensory impairment or inadequate instructional or environmental opportunities, but it is not the result of these conditions. Although Dyslexia is life-long, individuals with Dyslexia successfully respond to timely and appropriate intervention.
  • British Psychological Society, Division of Educational and Child Psychology, 1999:
Dyslexia is evident when accurate and fluent word reading and/or spelling develops very incompletely or with great difficulty. This focuses on literacy learning at the “word level” and implies that the problem is severe and persistent despite appropriate learning opportunities. It provides the basis for a staged process of assessment through teaching. 3. Examples from individuals:
  • Reid, 2002:
Dyslexia is a processing difference experienced by people of all ages, often characterised by difficulties in literacy; it can affect other cognitive areas such as memory, speed of processing, time management, co-ordination and directional aspects. There may be visual and phonological difficulties and there is usually some discrepancy in performances in different areas of learning. It is important that the individual difference and learning styles are acknowledged since these will affect outcomes of assessment and learning. It is also important to consider the learning and work context as the nature of the difficulties associated with dyslexia may be more pronounced in some learning situations.
  • Smythe, 2000:
Dyslexia is a difficulty with the acquisition of reading, writing and spelling which may be caused by a combination of phonological, visual and auditory processing deficits. Word retrieval and speed of processing difficulties may also be present. The manifestation of dyslexia in any individual will depend upon not only individual cognitive differences, but also the language used.
kilmuir · 29/01/2017 19:08

Primary teachers lack knowledge on Dyslexia. . Though many think they know better than educational psychologists. Sadly they don't

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 29/01/2017 19:17

tbf there are some woefully ill-informed ed psychologists out there when it comes to dyslexia too.

mrz · 29/01/2017 19:32

They may know about dyslexia (if they acknowledge it exists) but they are rarely up to date on current teaching methods, interventions or research evidence.

Badders123 · 29/01/2017 19:49

Yeah
Been there done that with ds1
I would recommend the following;
If she has issues with reading and gaps in her phonics knowledge then try bear necessities by sound foundations
If it's simply spelling and punctuation try apples and pears by sound foundations
I've tried most interventions over the years but these WORK

user1484226561 · 29/01/2017 19:50

Primary teachers lack knowledge on Dyslexia. . Though many think they know better than educational psychologists. Sadly they don't I did make a quick list once of all the common conditions teachers are expected to carry a working knowledge of in their head, it came to around 40, I think.

dyslexia, dyspraxia, ADHD, ADD, Down's, ODD, DAMP, attatchment disorder, epilepsy, cp, tourette's, diabetes, hypermobility, scholiosis, club feet, anaphylaxis, pathological demand avoidance, irlene's, discalcula, OCD, fragile X, fetal alcohol syndrome, Autism, aspergers, visual impairment, hearing impairment, disphasia, anxiety, depression, selfharm, gdd, cystic fibrosis, selective mutism, receptive or expressive language disorders, muscular dystrophy, trauma, conduct disorders, brittle bones, MCAD, bipolar, NF1, NF2, sickle cell, anemia, thasseliamia.

here is some of them. not all teachers need to know about all of them, but most teachers will come across most of them every few years or so.

Also TB and Rickets, these were the two that most surprised me when I started teaching, doesn't surprise me anymore. I had a tutor group a couple of years ago with three children with TB in it.

Badders123 · 29/01/2017 19:51

Ha!
Already see these have been recommended by other posters...

user1484226561 · 29/01/2017 19:53

but they are rarely up to date on current teaching methods, interventions or research evidence.

as you can see, there are far too many conditions in the average school for this to be a realistic expectation of anyone.

goingmadinthecountry · 29/01/2017 20:01

Mrz, there's a lot of emphasis on quotes there.

The reading/spelling card routine is a very powerful (but small) part of the 1 to 1 teaching of dyslexic children. It works for many children when carried out well so shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. Yes, there are definitely many people out there taking money without providing any decent support (same as 11 plus tuition) but overlearning is useful for dyslexic children. It's an incredibly common error to miss out the second consonant in a blend, so overlearning and reinforcement by use of flashcards is not necessarily without value. It's about what works.

Obviously, all classrooms should be dyslexia friendly. There's the odd child phonics doesn't work for. Honestly.

Overlays/reading rulers have helped my son = maybe just because of the routine. If it works, who cares why? He's 20 btw and survived grammar school so I do know what I'm talking about. As well as being a teacher with a PG Cert in Dyslexia.

mrz · 29/01/2017 20:24

"It's an incredibly common error to miss out the second consonant in a blend," it is when children are taught blends (noun) rather than to blend (verb) and as I said adds hundreds of additional pieces of information that need to be learnt

mrz · 29/01/2017 20:27

"Overlays/reading rulers have helped my son" they appear to help some visual stress sufferers but that's not dyslexia

Peanutbutterrules · 29/01/2017 20:43

Our school did nothing to help our dyslexic DD. Literally nothing.

We did Apples and Pears at home - 10-15 minutes 4-5 times a week from yr 3 til beginning yr 6.

Made a huge huge difference. Don't get bogged down in thinking there is nothing you can do without school suppport.

goingmadinthecountry · 29/01/2017 22:39

No,Mrz, what I mean from my experience is that children who have been taught phonics in the entirely appropriate way sometimes still miss out the second consonant. Same as some dyslexic children writing ig instead of ing.

I use reading rulers a lot - they help.I use them in different ways.

fuckingwall · 29/01/2017 23:47

Mrz your BDA definition of dyslexia is out of date

Dyslexia is a specific learning difficulty that mainly affects the development of literacy and language related skills. It is likely to be present at birth and to be life-long in its effects. It is characterised by difficulties with phonological processing, rapid naming, working memory, processing speed, and the automatic development of skills that may not match up to an individual's other cognitive abilities.

mrz · 30/01/2017 06:33

Could that be because it's dated 2001?

mrz · 30/01/2017 06:35

Not my definitions BTW they are all from the Special Education Support Service and clearly illustrate that there is no consensus

fuckingwall · 30/01/2017 06:49

BDA released a definition in 2007

mrz · 30/01/2017 06:58

I know

mrz · 30/01/2017 07:09

NHS
"Dyslexia is a common learning difficulty that can cause problems with reading, writing and spelling.
It's a "specific learning difficulty", which means it causes problems with certain abilities used for learning, such as reading and writing."

British Psychological Society

'Dyslexia is evident when accurate and fluent word reading and/or spelling develops very incompletely or with great difficulty. This focuses on literacy at the word level and implies that the problem is severe and persistent despite appropriate learning opportunities.'

Dyslexia causes difficulties with learning to read, write and spell. Short-term memory, mathematics, concentration, personal organisation and sequencing may also be affected. Dyslexia can occur at any level of intellectual ability. It is not the result of poor motivation, emotional disturbance, sensory impairment or lack of opportunities; but it may occur alongside any of these. Dyslexia usually arises from a weakness in the processing of language-based information. Biological in origin, it tends to run in families, but environmental factors also contribute. The effects of dyslexia can be largely overcome by skilled specialist teaching and the use of compensatory strategies. People may be born with dyslexia or acquire it through accident or illness. Inclusion Development Programme 2008

Dyslexia is a specific learning difficulty that mainly affects reading and spelling. Dyslexia is characterised by difficulties in processing word-sounds and by weaknesses in short-term verbal memory; its effects may be seen in spoken language as well as written language. The current evidence suggests that these difficulties arise from inefficiencies in language-processing areas in the left hemisphere of the brain which, in turn, appear to be linked to genetic differences'. Dyslexia Action

fuckingwall · 30/01/2017 08:04

Mrz is the point that you're making in linking to the different descriptions that you think dyslexia doesn't exist?

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 30/01/2017 08:22

I think the point is that it's a problematic diagnosis rather than it doesn't exist.

The term becomes slightly meaningless when no one can actually agree what the criteria are what is dyslexia and what isn't.

Especially unhelpful when interventions are put into place based on dyslexic children need rather than drilling down into the specific individual needs of the child. Although that could be said for most types of SEN.

fuckingwall · 30/01/2017 08:49

I agree that the the same is true of other conditions, confusion around autism spectrum disorder and Asperger's syndrome being one example.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 30/01/2017 18:08

That was the other big example I had in mind.

user789653241 · 30/01/2017 18:26

Same for ADHD! I never considered my ds may have ADHD because he would concentrate on something if he is interested. I never new something like "hyper focus"(?) existed as a symptom.

user789653241 · 30/01/2017 18:27

*knew