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Bl**dy government/schools healthy eating, thou-shalt-rear-thy-children-on-lettuce-leaves-alo directives

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frogs · 23/02/2007 18:52

So there I am, clearing out ds's schoolbag of half a term's accumulated detritus of squashed bits of homework and out-of-date party invites when I find a snotty little note:

'Dear Parent/Carer
As part of our bid to gain Healthy Schools status we have been checking children's lunchboxes to support families in helping their children eat healthily. Earlier this term you were given a list of foods that should not be brought into school, and we ask you to respect these guidelines when preparing your child's lunch.
Thank you
Headteacher'

The list includes, predictably enough, sweets, chocolate bars, biscuits(!), crisps, any drinks that aren't water or plain fruit juice and pretty much anything else containing sugar or fat. No playtime snacks are allowed apart from fruit.

Ds has been ill, on and off, since before Christmas with mysterious viruses that give him temperatures. He's always on the skinny side, but currently looks like gulag boy. Every rib and every vertebra is visible, he's deathly pale and he has little hollows under his cheekbones.

How, fergodsake, am I supposed to get enough calories into this child when the govt and schools are hellbent on persuading us we should be feeding them nothing but carrot sticks and apples? He has a healthy diet, eats lots of fruit and veg (when he eats at all, that is), we have nonsugary breakfast cereals, wholemeal bread, freshly-cooked suppers, no fizzy drinks and very few sweets. What is bl**dy well wrong with putting a packet of crisps and a penguin biscuit into the lunchbox of a very active, naturally skinny child who clearly needs to be fattened up a bit? Yes, I know there's a national obesity crisis, blah blah, but not in my family there isn't. And not in his class either, from what I can see -- all his friends look like twiglets on legs as well.

I'm not looking for advice really, just sounding off. Think I will include a note to his form teacher on Monday saying that if they want to discuss the contents of ds's lunchbox they can telephone me in person. I just really hate this idea they're giving the kids that there are healthy foods and unhealthy foods, and that everything containing fat and sugar is automatically bad for you.

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pointydog · 23/02/2007 21:28

I agree it has all gone too far recently

frogs · 27/02/2007 16:57

I'm reviving this after a discussion I just had with ds.

He was adamant that fruit and vegetables were the healthiest food you could have, and anything else was somehow less healthy. He did eventually agree that living only on fruit and veg might not be ideal, but clearly the idea they're getting at school is far too simplistic in terms of talking about healthy and unhealthy foods, rather than getting the children to think about a healthy diet. He'd never even heard of protein.

I know there are more obese children than ever, but anorexia is more common than ever too. Teaching children that fat and sugar are awful and invariably 'bad for you' is surely not the way forward. Grr.

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roisin · 27/02/2007 18:19

I agree Frogs. My ds2 had a holiday homework to keep a diary of his diet, which he duly did. At the end he had to review it, which he did, and pronounced it "very unhealthy", which it wasn't at all. But all he was focussing on was calcium and fruit/veg (not very accurately). He is tall and thin as a rake: he's almost 8 and can easily fit into age 2/3 underpants and shorts!

We have a couple of boys at our secondary school with very serious anorexia already (one in a clinic)

Tortington · 27/02/2007 18:37

i dont see why - if the argument is that they didn't mean the note 'for the likes of you' but rather for parents who pack nowt but shit - why they cant send letters home saying " dear parent/guardian we noticed your child had no sandwich in their lunchbox.

a sandwich, roll, bap, pitta or any other such lunch food is manditory. feedin your child nothing but sugar is nutritionally detrimental to your childs health and should this happen in the future we shall be calling you at home to pick up your child and feed them"

its a govt brainwashing campaign. becuae they dont trust you as parents. and wont put resources into parentingskills forcrap parents.

NotanOtter · 27/02/2007 18:40

Have only read the op but...puurrlease
You can raise a child without feeding it crap
give him some cheese

Tortington · 27/02/2007 18:43

but if i want to include a penguin - and a piece of fruit and a ham salad sandwich and a piece of cheese why should i get the teacher bouncers on my arse?

NotanOtter · 27/02/2007 18:45

i doubt they would custy - just trying to educate those who really do feed crap

i know of a child had half a raw onion only in his luchbox

Tortington · 27/02/2007 18:45

i dont see why - if the argument is that they didn't mean the note 'for the likes of you' but rather for parents who pack nowt but shit - why they cant send letters home saying " dear parent/guardian we noticed your child had no sandwich in their lunchbox.

a sandwich, roll, bap, pitta or any other such lunch food is manditory. feedin your child nothing but sugar is nutritionally detrimental to your childs health and should this happen in the future we shall be calling you at home to pick up your child and feed them"

its a govt brainwashing campaign. becuae they dont trust you as parents. and wont put resources into parentingskills forcrap parents.

wilkie50 · 27/02/2007 18:46

OMG, only read OP but seriously, OMG!!!! Bloody 'nanny state' that we live in.

When I was at school (I'm 25) I used to have sandwiches, a packet of crisps, a wrapped biscuit (i.e. penguin), piece of fruit and a carton on fresh juice most days...is that not a 'balanced' diet. Why should the school dictate what your child eats??????

Ooooo, that makes me cross!!!

Greensleeves · 27/02/2007 18:50

I'm not getting into the "nanny state telling us what to feed our children" thing because it just causes aggro.

But I have a very skinny pale 4.5yo and I have to try quite hard to get calories into him too. Rather than feeding him crisps/sweets/chocolate you could try other high-calorie foods that won't break the school's crap embargo. I make stuff like quiche/cheese and veg tart with double cream and eggs in, and egg mayo rolls with plenty of butter. Bananas are quite calorific too. Cream cheese with bread sticks to dip is popular too. In fact cheese generally is a mainstay of ds1's diet, and you can bake bread/rolls with cheese in to make it even more calorific. I also make him soups with cream in them, which he likes. Also nuts are really calorific, so nuts and raisins are a good snack, and peanut butter in sandwiches. Or you can do wraps/rolls/sandwiches etc with chicken or veg that have been fried or caramelised, that bumps the calories up a bit.

NotanOtter · 27/02/2007 18:52

wilkie - no i would say not and maybe that is why the govt is trying to change things

Gobbledigook · 27/02/2007 18:52

I'm with you Frogs. Ds1 is a skinny malinky too (especially since his pneumonia last year) and he runs off so much energy. Like your ds, he eats very healthily but I do also give him 'empty calories' just to try and 'fatten him up' a bit! Sounds awful, but all his ribs are visible too. I put club or penguin biscuits in his lunchbox - just let them try and tell me not to. Bloody Big Brother.

I can't think of a single 'fat' kid in his school either.

Ladymuck · 27/02/2007 18:54

Have to say that i woudl be a bit worried if any type of food pyramid thinking is being ignored. Just labelling foods as good and bad is unhelpful.

Was a bit worried when my 3 yo came out "pizza is unhealthy, and is bad for you" (as I was serving up homemade vegetable pizza?!). Turns out he got this from some Orchard game (with a gorilla that burps!). In fairness he did carry on and say "so we can only have a little of them every now and again"

JoLou74 · 27/02/2007 18:55

Don't blame the school, they are only following government guidelines...

Saturn74 · 27/02/2007 18:56

I'm keeping out of this debate, but just had to say how much I loved this post.

By tubismybub on Fri 23-Feb-07 19:01:48
I would send back a note saying " Thank you so much for checking the quality of my child's lunch on a daily basis, to help support the school in educating my son to a good standard I will be regularly sitting in on lesson and I ask you respect my expectations when preparing your lesson plans."

Brilliant!

Gobbledigook · 27/02/2007 18:58

I don't know what the answer is because parents that send their children in with a can of coke and 3 packets of crisps won't give a shit about a note from the head.

Tortington · 27/02/2007 19:00

so ring them up and tell them to collect their child and feed it

AnnabelCaramel · 27/02/2007 19:02

I want Greensleeves to make MY lunch tomorrow!

OrmIrian · 27/02/2007 19:02

If this is going to really help children's nutrition why don't they specify what they do want a child to eat instead of saying what isn't acceptable. There will be some parents who don't know how to prepare a balanced meal and will truly struggle when told they can't put all those things in. Some form of protein, some form of complex carbs and some fruit/veg etc.

Anyway I object to low-fat for kids >.

frogs · 27/02/2007 19:02

Custy's idea is spot on -- instead of criticising what people do send in, they could be focussing on what isn't in the lunchboxes.

At least that way the kids could be learning to think about the overall shape of their diet, rather than all this 'Crisps are the antichrist, and Penguin bars are satan's little helpers' business.

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frogs · 27/02/2007 19:03

Crossed posts, orm!

And while they're at it, they could teach the kids to make their own sarnies...

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Mercy · 27/02/2007 19:07

Frogs - I hear you!!!

Sorry have only skim-read this thread but afaik, extra carbs will help your child put on weight in a healthier way rather than food that has a high fat or sugar content.

AnnabelCaramel · 27/02/2007 19:11

Skim-reading is no good for you. You need to have the full fat version to get all the goodness

Greensleeves · 27/02/2007 19:12

pmsl Annabel

Enid · 27/02/2007 19:13

I agree with you frogs

I'd be livid

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