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Accelerated reader....sigh

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Badders123 · 02/12/2016 16:18

Hello
My son is 8 and in year 3
The teacher is a maternity leave cover and well....it's not going that well really.
Ds is very able. Teachers words, not mine. He is doing some year 4 work for maths and has lovely handwriting (for a leftie!) and loves reading.
Or should I say loved? 😞
The school uses the accelerated reader programme so the kids read a book then do a quiz. Children cannot move up a level til they have 4 "good" quiz scores.
However, the choice of books is really poor...the school do acknowledge this so I'm not sure there is anything to be done there.
Ds is starting to hate reading,
The books are boring and old.
He struggles to find one that interests him and ergo his scores aren't always great - sometimes only 60% - and I think it's also because he does the quizzes in class he gets distracted.
Anyway, I've written notes in his reading record and had a word at parents evening.
No joy. He has to do it and that's that.
So Wwyd?
We dont have time for 2 lots of reading each night (along with all the other homework and out of school activities)
I seem to be in the very odd position of saying
"No ds you can't read that book you really like, you have to read this school one So you can do a quiz on it"
Which just seems mad to me.
I've had a word with the head this week and she said she will get back to me.
Also since going back in September He has also been doing all the spellings he did in year 2! Why?
Should I just ignore school books?
That would upset ds as he would feel he wasn't doing as asked I think 😖
Should I just keep making him read books he dislikes?
I'm fed up and need advice!
(Lots of other parents in same boat btw and feeling the same...I know some plan to go and seee ht too)

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Badders123 · 02/12/2016 19:32

He's such a "good" boy so I know it will upset him to think he is being "naughty" by not reading school books :(

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Bluebird23 · 02/12/2016 19:45

Hi

My Dd Y4 and Ds Y2 use AR. I'm not a massive fan of the system but they both seem to like sitting the quizzes and the Star Reader assessment. They have thrir login and sit the quiz for all their home / library books, I think has helped them feel comfortable sitting the test in school.

On terms of school books, Dd is currently reading a Michael Morpurgo book and has brought home dork diaries in the past, Ds is still on the KS1 book schemes. All these books are on the AR system. It sounds like the school aren't providing a good range of books? I would query this as they should have a decent range of reading books to give out.

Like you, I am dubious that passing the generic 10 question quiz shows the child has understood the book. I always try and chat about the book with Dd abd Ds but find it can be hard to fit everything in. Hopefully, teacher's will still be checking comprehension and completely rely on the system.

Badders123 · 02/12/2016 19:54

IMO ds understands what he is reading well and we often have conversations about what he has just read
I'm a bit baffled as to why he isn't scoring better but I think there have also been IT issues
He is know doing new spellings at least

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Twiceover · 02/12/2016 20:08

DDs are also in year 3 and doing accelerated reader. They read school books after school and their own books at bedtime and that works for them. The school does seem to have quite an impressive selection of books so I think that helps massively.

Love51 · 02/12/2016 20:09

We aren't at that stage yet, my eldest is only in Year R. But I've already started to bypass the comprehension questions at the end and actually just discuss the book. The idea of doing a computerised comprehension on every book makes me anxious, and I've got an English degree! The idea that a computer can measure a 9 year olds response to a book sits uncomfortably - shouldn't the point of reading, once past the early years, be about an emotional or personal response? Part of the joy of reading is sharing that response, and generating your own thoughts and ideas. Not being told that you had only 60% understood it. If a child is enjoying reading every day, surely they will grow up literate and well read?

Badders123 · 02/12/2016 20:12

My thoughts exactly!!

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Woodacorn · 02/12/2016 22:24

My youngest is a great reader. He was a free reader a few weeks in to Year 1 in complete contrast to my oldest 3 who are dyslexic. I basically do the minimum school books for him. I am not bothered about him staying top of the class and i don't feel he must be relentlessly pushed to stay top. I let him read for pleasure. We mostly do the minimum required amount of reading of school books and then. Just let him choose from home or library books. He is very happy and loves reading. He stays up late reading and I have to go up every night and tell him to stop.
My advice is not to worry about school books. Do the minimum required for school books then let him read for pleasure and not worry about what level he is at or what he gets in tests.

MindTheDrawings · 05/12/2016 00:05

We recently had a chat about AR at school.

What I found a bit surprising was that the books are first read and then a quiz is taken with the book in front of the dc, they are free to look through the book to answer the quiz questions. I always presumed the books were read and then set aside for the quiz. Not sure what is gained by this method at all.

MindTheDrawings · 05/12/2016 00:07

Meaning, a child could be canny enough to pretend to read the book, knowing it's right there in front of them to allow them freely to look through it for their quiz answers.

Badders123 · 05/12/2016 09:38

Yeah
It's a bit Confused
Thing is ds doesn't have the book with him - I think he thinks it's cheating!
(Which it sort of is)

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Letustryagain · 05/12/2016 14:33

DD has been doing AR since September (Yr 3) and initially I was really cross about it. DD had been a free reader at the end of Year 2 and had always read two years above her age. Suddenly on doing a Star Test her range is now between 2.8 and 3.9 which is way below where she was reading before. Part of the issue being that even though DD is a good reader, she hasn't actually enjoyed it for quite some time and we couldn't get her to read at all at home. Now however, she is reading more thankfully. Her comprehension had always been way above expected level aswell so I was very confused with the whole thing.

But in regard the quizzes, they are not allowed the books with them when they do the quizzes - that's the first I've heard of that! What's the point of doing a quiz to test them if the book is there for them to access??

As for the spellings, last years Y3 and Y4 had the old spellings whereas those in Y2 had much harder spellings, so effectively the current Y4 may be behind the current Y3, hence why revisiting all the Y2, Y3 and Y4 spellings...

WingedSloath · 05/12/2016 16:56

We use AR in our school but we have only just moved over to it. I am involved in it in a volunteer capacity.

Firstly, when the children reached year 3 they came off banded books and became "free readers" so they could pick any book. Due to the vast range of levels lots of children didn't choose books they could read and understand and this caused issues. Lots just kept the same books for months and how would anyone know if they had actually read it before they replaced it?

Also your school won't have changed the books they originally offered, just put them into the appropriate bands.

The quizzes are not a test of your memory but your understanding of the book. Some books in the scheme are over 300 pages.

There is a 30 minute slot allocated to AR each day in our school, and there is no way you can sit fannying about on the quiz for 30 minutes whilst you flick through an unread book to find the answers.

If a child understands the book then they would be achieving a much higher rate than 60%. In our school you have to get about 85% on 3 tests to move on a level. If a child consistently achieved only 60% we would be recommending that they read it twice before attempting a quiz.

The only way to show your child is understanding the book is to get a high score on the quiz.

Yes, it does force children to choose books they may not have picked before, however, it does allow them to experience a wider range of books, genres, and subjects and yes they can discover what books they don't like as well as what they do like.

As for Project X books, I don't believe that any of our own Project X books are on a high level for reading. The child chooses the book, not the teacher unless they are in year 2 where they may be guided toward books. As all the books are listed in their reading record we would strive to persuade a child to different genres and authors.

Our school is having a competition for the points earned, the children I have read with are very motivated. We have a lot of boys reading books to the end for the first time.

We have a language deficit in our school meaning children are not exposed to new words and this is apparent in their literacy. The children who read the most have the widest vocabulary. We moved onto this scheme because it has proven very successful in raising literacy levels in local schools to us.

Children will start on their lowest levels to build confidence in their reading ability. Please support your school, listening to a child read takes 5 minutes.

Badders123 · 05/12/2016 18:03

Have you actually read my post?
I listen to my child read EVERY DAY and for more than 5 Mins!
I understand AR very well this being my second child to use it.
My point is - the school have far fewer books available ATM due to closing its library.
My son is having to pick books he finds boring and tedious because there is no other option as he has to do a quiz.
I fail to see how it understanding and comprehension when the child can use the book to answer the quiz!!
My son has gone from loving reading to hating it.
And I blame AR

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mrz · 05/12/2016 18:28

It's one of the many valid criticisms of AR ...it narrows reading!

user789653241 · 05/12/2016 18:33

"I fail to see how it understanding and comprehension when the child can use the book to answer the quiz!!"

What's wrong with it? When you take Reading Sats, you have reading material right with you to answer the question. My ds does different reading comprehension scheme, but you are meant to go back to the text to answer any question? Comprehension is not about answering from memory, is it?

Badders123 · 05/12/2016 18:41

I hate it mrz!
Ds finds the books AND quizzes boring
I think I might just tell school he will read books from home
My son is top of the class for spelling, reading and phonics - I am not boasting. This is what I've been told by his teacher.
There is nothing wrong with his comprehension.
In other news he got 100% today
But what does that prove?
He found the book less boring than the others?
It was "easier"? (Same level as the other books)
He is perfectly capable of getting 100% when the book engages him

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Badders123 · 05/12/2016 18:43

My son is 8
He has a few years before ks2 Sats!
I am not the only parent to be concerned - some children have been on the same book band since Feb and are thoroughly fed up
The scheme seems to be holding some children back

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Blossomdeary · 05/12/2016 18:50

How to make sure that a child loses interest in reading......it makes me so mad. What is the point? - what can they be thinking of? Just let them read what interests them and stop testing them at every turn.

I have a GS who is very bright indeed (heaven knows where he got that from!) - he is in year 2 and functions at past year 6 level in all subjects. The school have made sure there are books that will interest him, but not be above his emotional level and that is a challenge to achieve.

user789653241 · 05/12/2016 18:59

Ok, my ds is 8(though he is in yr4) as well. I was talking about yr2 sats....don't they have reading sats in yr2? I am sure my ds did.

Badders123 · 05/12/2016 19:24

Ah yes he did
He did very well Smile

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Bluebird23 · 05/12/2016 19:29

I think for AR to be of any use to our children the school need to have a wide and varied library of registered books. I'm lucky that (so far) our School appear to have a great choice of books at all levels.

I mentioned this thread to a friend who teaches at high school and she agreed with some of the criticism of the system. However, she did make a point that when our children are in high school they will be given books from a set syllabus and expected to read / comprehend and sit papers / exams on the text.
Hopefully, it will prove useful for the children to be able to read, understand and complete work on a text they don't necessarily find that interesting?
I suppose I'm just trying to see any positives to AR as I don't think our School have any plans to scrap it!

I hope your little man doesn't get to disheartened and the school can provide a solution soon x

Badders123 · 05/12/2016 19:39

I hope so too Sad

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Badders123 · 05/12/2016 19:42

The book choice is a massive issue at the school
Quite often children run out of books in their "range"

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user789653241 · 05/12/2016 20:28

I don't know how AR works, but I have used bookfinder to check book levels. Most of the books are on the list. If the school's book choice is the problem, can't you ask the school to include books from home/library which are on the list?

Badders123 · 05/12/2016 20:44

The ht is getting back to me
I will mention that

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