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Why has DD (reception) been given 'car' and 'park' as key/sight words?

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Readytomakechanges · 02/11/2016 11:58

I'm new to the whole school thing so have been trying to read up on the early years and key stage one curriculum in order to best support my nearly-5yo.
DD is loving school so far.
Yesterday the teacher gave me a list of 15 sight words for DD to practice at home. The teacher stated that they don't usually give homework this early in the school, but DD had asked for it. I believe this and am happy to make games etc. out of learning these words at home.
Most of the words are what I thought of as sight words; the, I, she etc.
However, I thought car and park were phonetic, using the digraph 'car'. So 'c' 'ar' and 'p' 'ar' 'k'. Just wondering why the teacher would want DD to know these works by sight instead of decoding them?
Thanks.

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mrz · 04/11/2016 20:04

"Will they be tested on what a diagraph"
Who knows what they'll be tested on in future Hmm but my class were asked by the lady from Ofsted Confused

MsGus · 04/11/2016 21:03

No, mathematical concepts and how they are used is very different from the technical terminology used to describe methods/approaches to reading and spelling. Not all "technical" terms have the same functions. For example, it is important for children to understand what a circle is and the concept of a circumference as it is actually use for measurement. If yoy don't know what is meant by a circumference then your mathematical prowess would be restricted. You don't need to know about digraphs to be able to read. You do need to know what a circumference is for you to be able to do basic calculations involving curved geometric figures.

JinkxMonsoon · 04/11/2016 21:23

I'm also new to Reception and the language of phonics (I've just about got to grips with phoneme and grapheme). Can you recommend a website so I can crib up on this? DD is streaking ahead and really feel the need to make sure I explain things to her in the right way when we read at home together.

kesstrel · 04/11/2016 22:01

Language developed without the need to learn about digraphs,

Spoken language is different in some ways to written language. Psychologists believe we are evolutionarily programmed to learn spoken language pretty much effortlessly, and we have been doing so for perhaps 90,000 years. Written language is an artificial invention, only a few thousand years old, and hardly anyone is able to just "pick it up". So I would argue that your comparison isn't really valid. Of course children don't need to learn the specific word "digraph"; but some term for it will clearly help teachers explain the concept. Children are learning, on average, 10 new words a day at that age; they are much better at it than us adults. I really don't see the problem.

MsGus · 04/11/2016 22:31

Written language is no more artificial than spoken language.

MrsKCastle · 04/11/2016 22:46

Children love to learn new vocabulary IME, they just soak it up. It doesn't create an unnecessary burden. They don't need to know everything technical term, but I certainly don't believe it does them any harm. I also believe that it's very useful for parents to know about how reading is taught. Again, not necessarily the technical terms but I'm surprised to see how many people have the attitude of 'we just leave that to the school, that's their job'. (Not just on MN, seen it a lot in RL).

mrz · 05/11/2016 03:41

Written language is no more artificial than spoken language

Not true written language has only been around for a short time in evolutionary terms and is a totally man made concept. Writing is a system invented to record spoken words visually using symbols we call letters. Even those symbols we call the alphabet have only been used for a few hundred years (previously we used a different system of symbols called the futhorc/fuþorc).

If yoy don't know what is meant by a circumference then your mathematical prowess would be restricted.

Do I really need to know the outside of a circle is called the circumference or could I just call it the outside of a circle? I could still measure it without knowing it has a special name just as I can still read without knowing that when we use two letters to represent a sound we call it a digraph

nooka · 05/11/2016 04:29

Some peoples didn't/don't have a written language at all, but I assume all communities talk. I live in Canada and some of our First Nations only had written scripts invented for their languages very recently (prior to contact with Europeans they did not use writing at all).

Oh and watching my dh learn Japanese makes me think that English is really pretty easy in comparison, he spends hours every day memorising kanji (and compounds too, some words are single kanji and some are several) - in Japan it's a core part of the curriculum all the way up to 15.

user789653241 · 05/11/2016 07:27

JinkxMonsoon, if your dd is streaking ahead, I don't think you need to know everything. Just let her learn at school, and enjoy reading with her.

I don't have a clue about all the phonics etc, but that didn't stop my ds progress. Only thing I did was to give him access to lots of books.

mrz · 05/11/2016 08:33

the concept
• that letters are spellings of sounds: visual language is a representation of spoken language
• that a spelling can be one, two, three, or four letters - s , sh, ere, eigh
• that most sounds: the sound 'has. more than one way of spelling ae', spelt as in 'name', can be represented as in 'table', in 'rain', in 'eight', in 'play', and so on
• that many spellings can represent more than one sound: can be the sound 'e' in bread,a-e' in 'break', or 'ee' in 'beat

JinkxMonsoon · 05/11/2016 09:51

JinkxMonsoon, if your dd is streaking ahead, I don't think you need to know everything. Just let her learn at school, and enjoy reading with her.

I hope you don't think that's a stealth boast, she's a September born so has a bit of an age advantage. And we do enjoy reading in a relaxed way at home. So far, if she doesn't know a word or can't be arsed to sound something out (even if I know she can) then I just read it to her.

But I get a bit flummoxed when it comes to explaining words like "rope" (I'm an eighties child when they taught "Magic E Grin) and why "put" doesn't rhyme with "cut". I don't want to explain things wrongly or in a way that contradicts the way they learn at school, that's all.

user789653241 · 05/11/2016 09:58

No, Jinkx, that's my honest opinion. My ds was in similar situation, and I am not a native English speaker. So, had no clue about how to teach him at all. Naturally, I don't explain anything to him normally. (Sometimes I have to, but I am not very successful, and often ask for help on MN!)

mrz · 05/11/2016 13:00

Move north the put and cut do rhyme Wink

TeacherBob · 05/11/2016 18:44

fwiw at my last school we had to tell the children digraphs were called digraphs. At my current school we use 'special friends' (which I hate but that is another story).

The children I have taught got much more excited about phonics when using the proper language, I dunno if they felt more grown up or if it is just a cohort thing.

Mrz hits the nail on the head though, people demand we use correct terminology for maths, I don't see why it shouldnt be the same for reading and English.

mrz · 06/11/2016 09:08

Sorry thought I'd posted this on Friday ... Chinese phoneme chart

Why has DD (reception) been given 'car' and 'park' as key/sight words?
mrz · 06/11/2016 09:09

Sorry thought I'd posted this on Friday ... Chinese phoneme chart

Why has DD (reception) been given 'car' and 'park' as key/sight words?
BeanAnTi · 06/11/2016 11:56

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mrz · 06/11/2016 12:03

Much easier here put cut hut but nut all rhyme as do pull bull full gull

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TeacherBob · 06/11/2016 12:49

I believe the phonics check allows for localised accents

maizieD · 06/11/2016 19:59

The technical terms used in phonics are very few, anyway.

phoneme - the smallest sounds which a word can be broken down into (some people might add that deleting/adding a phoneme would alter the meaning of a word. e.g take the /k/ sound from 'cat' and you're left with 'at')
grapheme the letter or group of letters we use to represent a phoneme in writing
Graphemes can be:
graphs = 1 letter, b, s etc
digraphs = 2 letters, sh, th etc.
tri (or tetra)graphs = 3 letters, igh
quadgraphs = 4 letters, aigh, eigh (i'm a bit unsure of this one...it might be 'quadragraph')

The last two terms are rarely used

sounding out =working through a written word assigning a phoneme to each grapheme
blending = running together the sounded out phonemes, in the order in which they occur in the word, to produce the spoken word (can be done out loud or silently)
segmenting = mostly used to describe breaking the spoken word into its component phonemes before spelling it. Sometimes used to describe 'sounding out' (which is, after all, much the same thing in reverse)
decodable = usually used to describe books or text which contain only the graphemes children have learned or are learning. Used for practising the application of phonics knowledge and skills.

sight word = in the phonics teaching context should refer to a word which has been sounded and blended so often that it is secure in long term memory and can now be read 'at sight'.

I make that 9 common (11 if you count the two rarely used terms for graphemes) 'technical' terms. Not enough to make excessive cognitive demands on most adults or children, surely?

And many teachers substitute the word 'sound' for 'phoneme' and 'sound spelling' for 'grapheme'.

I hope this is helpful for those who think there are too many technical terms, or who are puzzled by them

(P.S if phonics colleagues think of more please correct me Grin)

mrz · 07/11/2016 06:33

I've always said quadgraphs MaizieD but apparently it's tetragraphs Hmm

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HarveySchlumpfenburger · 07/11/2016 13:23

I think the technical vocab is more of an issue for parents. The kids take it in their stride. It does complicate a relatively simple process somewhat.

And we did manage to teach phonics before letters and sounds without using phoneme or grapheme.

shouldwestayorshouldwego · 07/11/2016 13:48

Do children with a northern accent find it easier to spell due to the clearer mapping onto the phenomes?