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Am I right in thinking a school should have a phonics based reading scheme?

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Namechangenurseryconcerns · 20/10/2016 09:22

Parents evening last night-ds (reception) doing well. Can blend cvc and read simple sentences. Tentatively asked when we might get a reading book alongside/rather than phonics worksheets /'picture cards' to discuss and was told that they don't really have books that can be phonetically decoded.
They have banded books-dreaded ORT, ginn etc but these aren't decodable to those in the first phases of phonics.
This is poor right? We have the songbirds books at home and will continue reading these ( teacher was happy with this) but what about the rest of the children?
Could someone in the know link me some requirements so I can make a polite fuss /help them with funding if necessary?

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mrz · 26/10/2016 19:48

This guidance is for schools, local authorities and governing bodies responsible for end of KS2 assessment, including KS2 tests.
The arrangements apply to maintained schools, maintained special schools, academies, free schools, Service Children’s Education (SCE) schools and participating independent schools with pupils in KS2.

Perhaps you can explain why this doesn't mean academies

Shurelyshomemistake · 26/10/2016 20:00

I cannot be bothered to explain again why it does apply to academies but not in the way you think it does.

OP I hope your DC's teacher comes up with some more suitable books. It's important they don't get the feeling they are unable to 'do' schoolwork early on :(

mrz · 26/10/2016 20:01

And what way do I think it does?

Shurelyshomemistake · 26/10/2016 21:00

I am not engaging any more Mrz.

My concern is that people who want to challenge a school about something need to be aware of the actual facts: what different schools have to do/teach, and why.

I see so many people sabotaging their own perfectly good and legit case relating to their child's education because they are inventing their own law/ government 'rules'/ reading 'shoulds' as 'musts'. Craft your argument well and you have more chance of succeeding in your aims. Do it badly, alleging schools/local authorities/the government must do things they are not necessarily required to, undermines you from the off.

Feenie · 26/10/2016 21:25
Confused

No - it's no good. You've completely lost me. Anyone? Confused

Shurelyshomemistake · 26/10/2016 21:59

Feenie to put it in more simple terms: if you're gonna have a beef with the school get your facts straight on what they are actually required to do. Dont tell an academy "you're so shit, you dont even have your phonic reading scheme listed on your website" etc etc etc. Because, um, they aren't actually required to.

Know the actual rules otherwise you risk looking like a bit of a wally.

Night night all.

Feenie · 26/10/2016 22:21

Dont tell an academy "you're so shit, you dont even have your phonic reading scheme listed on your website" etc etc etc. Because, um, they aren't actually required to.

But nobody did - or even suggested doing so?

Even more baffled now. Confused

catkind · 26/10/2016 23:02

mrz: In addition all schools including academies have a statutory duty to publish their phonic program and reading on their website

Presume that's what shurely was correcting. She makes the distinction between a statutory duty and a duty imposed by their funding agreements. Is that so baffling? The documentation that mrz referenced seems to confirm the distinction.

mrz · 27/10/2016 05:24

However that isn't what shurely said catkind "But the curriculum is only statutory for maintained schools. In actual fact delivery of the national curriculum and participation in the national curriculum tests and phonics screen is not statutory for academies and free schools. "
My reply was that they don't have to deliver the curriculum but they do have to administer the tests as laid out in the Assessment and Reporting Arrangements (statutory docs)

(And I did clarify the online requirements with links to the documents.)

catkind · 27/10/2016 08:12

According to what the other poster said, same distinction applies to testing. This link seems to confirm that very clearly:
www.gov.uk/guidance/2016-key-stage-1-assessment-and-reporting-arrangements-ara/section-11-legal-requirements-and-responsibilities
I'm not sure what you were trying to clarify with your document links as you didn't say - you seemed to be saying that academies were included in "maintained schools" for a start.

mrz · 27/10/2016 08:19

Academies are state maintained the distinction is their funding comes directly from the DfE not via the LEA

mrz · 27/10/2016 08:21

You mean this paragraph "The funding agreement means that they must comply with statutory assessments on the same basis as maintained schools." ?

catkind · 27/10/2016 08:37

Exactly. I think you're making it into a bigger deal than it is. The PP made a minor correction to your assertion. I didn't find her posts ambiguous in any way so not sure why all the baffled. The maintained schools document you referred to did not include academies, people and the government usually refer to maintained schools as meaning LA maintained as distinct from academies, maybe some people use maintained as meaning "funded by government" but they weren't in this case so why side-track?

mrz · 27/10/2016 08:43

I wasn't aware I was making a big deal of it ...it isn't as far as I'm concerned.

mrz · 01/11/2016 17:15

https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/evaluatereadingplanet free phonics books evaluation pack

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