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Maths methods in school. Why?

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OrmIrian · 08/02/2007 10:39

My DD in yr 3 has been learning subtraction using the method that ?borrows? from the next column. She found it hard but had started to get the hang of it. Her teacher had been on paternity leave and when he came back decided that this was an inappropriate method for this age group and is now teaching them the dcomposition method ? which to my mind is totally ridiculous and a backward step. She finds it easier of course but it seems absurd to go backwards when so many of the class had grasped the idea of the original method. And DS has been taught to use a number line for subtraction ?..doesn?t seem to help him much. I always want to use the bus-stop (as his teachers calls it) but we aren?t allowed to .

Now what I don?t understand is why the teaching of maths is so tied up with methods. They seem to be counterproductive. DD for example will be sitting doing her maths hw and needs help - I sit down and help her, she starts to understand and writes down the answer. Then in a total panic she realises that she hasn?t used the ?way that Mr W? showed them, and rubs the answer out and starts crying. DS doesn?t give a stuff about rules which is why he doesn?t concentrate in class (and I?m always being called in to talk to his teacher) and why he does his maths hw in double quick time and 100% correctly because he does it the way he wants and not the way he?s taught. Why does it matter how they understand the sum? As long as they do and they get the correct answer? It bothers me because I was the same as DD ? I spent the whole of my school years as a mathematical dunce because I was hung up on methods and rules. My dad used to walk out of the room in the end in sheer exasperation because he knew I understood the maths but I didn?t understand the method ? he was sh*t hot with maths and it drove him mad! It wasn?t until I left school and used maths in the real world that I realised I actually had quite a mathematical brain - it all makes perfect sense to me and I can see that numbers can be manipulated in many different ways. Even now when I?m helping with hw I can actually instantly see the answer on the page but once I try to use the particular method the DCs have been told to use it all gets muddled. It seems to me that it constrains any natural mathematical ability that children might have.

Can any teachers enlighten me please? And would you be bothered if a parent told you they didn?t want they child taught ?methods??

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singersgirl · 08/02/2007 10:57

We have this with DS1 (now y4) who hasn't been taught any of the old-fashioned methods yet. The trouble is that he is not particularly fast at calculating, so, although he understands why he is decomposing , it takes him a long time. When we taught him carrying/borrowing, he said "But Miss C told us not to listen to our parents if they taught us this way".

OrmIrian · 08/02/2007 10:58

What? Really, singersgirl?

Why does it matter soooo much?

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singersgirl · 08/02/2007 11:04

Popsycal has posted on this. I think the worry is that they will learn carrying etc without really understanding what they are doing (as I certainly did). But she must know that her top set are able to understand by now. I just want to speed things up for him. It gave him a tremendous amount of confidence once he saw how quickly he could do it and he actually asked me to write him a page of sums (a thing unheard of in this family!).

DS2 (5 in Y1) has recently said that his teacher doesn't want him to say the letter names when spelling, but use the letter sounds; it's the same thing really, as he is a fluent writer and reader and he himself moved to using letter names when he was confident with them. So there's no point him 'unlearning' it.

singersgirl · 08/02/2007 11:05

I meant DS1's teacher must know, not Popsycal, by the way!

Hallgerda · 08/02/2007 11:08

Ah, but isn't it one of the guilty pleasures of parenthood to teach your children how to do sums the quick way?

I feel I'm following in the tradition of my great grandmother who gave her children a nice glass of homemade rice wine after every Band of Hope meeting

mamalocco · 08/02/2007 12:53

We are not allowed to call them 'sums' at our school - they are 'number sentences'. FGS!!

Feenie · 10/02/2007 21:08

That's because 'finding the sum of' only means adding up.

Feenie · 10/02/2007 21:11

OrmIrian - your school should have a whole school policy on the methods used to teach calculations, specifically to stop this kind of malarkey.

cece · 10/02/2007 21:17

The methods and the steps and sequence of steps are all laid out in the Maths strategy. The more traditional methods aresn't supposed to be covered till the upper school.

A variety of methods are taught to ensure understanding of what they are doing rather than learning by rote.(the process).

The aim is for the children to
a) eventuall understand what they are doing when they use the shorter more traditional methods

b) as all children learn differently then some methods appeal to one style of learning and others like another method better.

worzella · 10/02/2007 21:25

However there should be the flexibility within the class for the pupils to use which ever method they like .... wait 'till they get to the 'chunking' method for division!

cece · 10/02/2007 21:35

LOL i have been doing the chunking method the past few weeks....

I agree once I have taught the different methods I let them choose whichever they prefer and get the answers correct!

OrmIrian · 12/02/2007 12:54

Ahhhh.... you let them "choose" Cece? What a wonderful refreshing idea!!!

I will ask about the school maths strategy perhaps. I overheard one mum in the playground (who helps is class) telling her little girl off for talking about 'borrowing'. "Don't let Mr H hear you talk about borrowing!!! He'll give you a detention". I think she was joking......

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MegaLegs · 12/02/2007 20:12

I've just been having a discussion about maths with my neighbour. Her DD is year 3 and my DS is year 2 and they are having similar problems with maths h/w. I had to shamefacedly pop in and see DS's teacher because I didn't understand the method she was using to teach subtraction. I asked DS if he knew about tens and units and he didn't, this comes in Year 4 apparently. The teacher showed me a method using a number line and the counting up method.

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