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How do people know their child's teacher is an NQT?

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Emochild · 12/09/2016 14:24

Repeatedly on threads so a thread about many threads people say that their child's teacher is an NQT

How on earth do they know?

I have no clue if my children have had an NQT, I just know that some teachers are younger than others -doesn't necessarily mean that an older teacher isn't an NQT!

So, how do they know and why does it matter?

A teacher may have had 3 or 4 years teaching experience and still come across new challenges

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Longlost10 · 13/09/2016 04:04

Hate to break it to you... But all NQTs get a full day out of class actually its a full hour, in many cases, and it often isn't as much as that

I was trying to say scrupulous, as in ultra diligent! not sure what I did to the keyboard!

mrz · 13/09/2016 06:19

NQTs are entitled to 10% of their teaching week as PPA and an additional 10% as NQT time which roughly equates to a whole day per week out of the class. It could be a day or an hour per day or any combination

mrz · 13/09/2016 06:24

Actually don't think there is much difference between a final placement student and a NQT apart from a couple of months older.

MiaowTheCat · 13/09/2016 07:44

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catkind · 13/09/2016 14:15

Actually don't think there is much difference between a final placement student and a NQT apart from a couple of months older.
I'm not quite sure what point you're making here, but think you may have taken my post over-literally. I just meant I know the difference, because they are introduced by the school as an NQT and a new class teacher, not as a student teacher. If they were students I wouldn't have described them as teachers.

barefootbird · 13/09/2016 18:29

We were given an introduction to each new teacher in the school news letter, it was a long letter and gave details of teachers leaving and their replacements.

I've had DC's with NCT both this year and last, both have been fantastic even well past the 6 month mark!

PikachuBoo · 13/09/2016 18:36

My kids have had two NQTs in his time in primary. Both were excellent. One was very young and the other late twenties but they both did an excellent job.

The school always said.

mrz · 13/09/2016 18:51

My point is we wouldn't distinguish between a PGCE student teaching the class (supported by experienced teacher) and a NQT teaching the class (supported by an experience teacher) as it can undermine the "teacher's authority in the eyes of pupils and parents.

Propertyquandry · 13/09/2016 19:13

To be fair, mrz, I think catkind was just meaning that she knows what each description means. So she knows what the terms NQT and pgce means. Therefore when her school newsletter described (back in June) this Sept staff list, it mentioned Miss X and Mr Y who are just finishing their PGCEs and will therefore be NQTs this term.

It's very common for school newsletters to introduce new staff this way. They often say things like, Mr T will be our new Y6 teacher. He will be jointing us from a school in Bedford. He has many years experience in upper juniors and SATs preparation and we look forward to having him on board. Mr T will also be taking responsibility for Maths across the school.

catkind · 13/09/2016 19:27

Mrz, you're the one who started saying people were students and not teachers when I'd said they are NQTs. And now you're saying there's no difference between the two. May I submit this as a candidate for most pointless conversation ever?

MuffyTheUmpireSlayer · 13/09/2016 19:36

we wouldn't distinguish between a PGCE student teaching the class (supported by experienced teacher) and a NQT teaching the class (supported by an experience teacher)

NQTs aren't usually supported in class by experienced teachers like PGCE students are. They have mentors who they have meetings and observations with, but they have sole responsibility for their classes.

mrz · 13/09/2016 19:53

Now I'm not sure of your point??

mrz · 13/09/2016 19:55

Muffy NQTs have experienced teachers supporting them as mentors and at times in classrooms just as PGCE students have placement mentors who are at times in the classroom

catkind · 13/09/2016 20:34

Now I'm not sure of your point??
Does that mean me? My point is I don't know what your point is

Me: We know they're NQTs because they're announced as such, e.g. it was announced in the summer term they were just finishing a PGCE.
mrz: Then they're PGCE students not teachers
Me: No, they finished their PGCE so they're teachers, I do know the difference.
mrz: There is no difference.

Does that make any sense as a conversation?

FWIW there is a clear difference between NQTs and PGCE students at our school. NQTs have their own classes for a start, students help with someone else's class. The school are quite open about it anyway, I don't need to tell the difference, we're told.

MuffyTheUmpireSlayer · 13/09/2016 20:42

I was an NQT 2 years ago and there is no requirement for an experienced teacher being in the classroom. They might come in to observe and support if you need it, but the class is your responsibility.

My point is that you would be able to distinguish between the two as a student teacher has to have an experienced teacher who has responsibility for the class with them (unless they are doing Teach First) whereas an NQT is responsible for the class and does not need an experienced teacher with them.

mrz · 13/09/2016 20:46

I had a PGCE student in my class last term and there was no requirement for me to be in the class with her beyond observations.

catkind · 13/09/2016 21:05

As in Miss Newteacher will take class 3 next year, not as in teaching an individual lesson.

mrz · 13/09/2016 21:29

As in PGCE student will teach 80% timetable just as Miss NQT does

catkind · 13/09/2016 21:42

They don't use students as class teachers at DS' school. They teach classes but they're not the class's main teacher.

Feenie · 13/09/2016 21:55

They might not be in name - but they would still be teaching 80% of the time.

Longlost10 · 13/09/2016 22:38

NQTs are entitled to 10% of their teaching week as PPA and an additional 10% as NQT time which roughly equates to a whole day per week out of the class.

entitled to, and likely to actually get, are two totally different things.

mrz · 13/09/2016 22:41

They aren't being used as class teachers. They are demonstrating that they are capable of teaching a class in order to pass their course... It's pass/fail of a teaching practice

mrz · 13/09/2016 22:43

If your school doesn't support you by meeting this entitlement I'd suggest looking for another school and contacting your Union.

DullUserName · 14/09/2016 00:20

I was a mature student. My first class had no idea that I was an NQT. Genuinely. Not a clue. Some teachers are part time anyway, so having PPA+NQT time out of class was unremarkable.

Longlost10 · 14/09/2016 06:06

If your school doesn't support you by meeting this entitlement I'd suggest looking for another school and contacting your Union or you might as well learn sooner rather than later to just accept reality as it is, in education. Seriously, if you expect fairness, and human rights, I'd suggest you look for a different career.

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