Morgan warns about SATs results

[nuttymango]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36703784

Morgan is warning that the SATs results can't be compared to previous years because the tests have been made harder.

Presumably this is a pre-cursor to poor SATs results being issued tomorrow?

Place marking whilst waiting for dd's scores.

I don't know then mrz. I know the print outs I enveloped today had them on (and annoyingly it wasn't ABC - because A was for absent, B for below and then another 10 initials. I'd have to check again tomorrow if you are interested.

You would think some one somewhere in the DfE would have predicted the entirely inevitable issue of scaled scores out of 100 getting confused with standardised scores.

The fact that the national RWM figure is fairly close to 50% hasn't really helped that much.

The scaling system seems to be totally meaningless. They might as well have just set a 'pass' mark and released that. It's essentially what they've done anyway.

Scales scores are between 80 and 120
www.gov.uk/guidance/scaled-scores-at-key-stage-2

The important difference is that a standardised score of 100 would put you on the 50th centile. And the 'average' population would fall 1 S.D. either side of that so the range of acceptable scores would fall below 100.

I think a scaled score of 100 on the reading test would put you in on roughly the 34th centile and in maths on roughly the 18th.

Or the 28th for maths.

Obviously I'm still working towards the expected standards.

How can there be no above expected?

Does there need to be above expected though?

They're either meeting the standard expected for starting secondary school, or they're not.

If they're not, then it is a clear indicator that targeted tuition is needed for them to cope with the rigours of secondary school work; if they are, then they don't.

I found this article A Guide to Your Child's (Somewhat Confusing) Key Stage 1 SAT Results about the Key Stage 1 scaled scores helpful. It explains how the scaled scores are calculated. You can also compare a particular KS1 score to a sample 6000 scores for maths and reading.

No no no! You need an Above Expected, and also a Should be Doing GCSEs Already. Otherwise how can some parents of brighter children make sure everyone knows how clever their darling is?

Teen

If a 100 is the expected standard for passing the exam, then anything above it would be "Above Expected" to me, even if it is not phrased that way.

Are the results for Year 6 different to Year 2 SATs? Because when we got the Year 2 report (which was based on the teacher's assessment and SATs results) the options were: 1 Working Towards, 2 Meets Expectation, 3 Above Expectations.

Yes, there needs to be. When the local secondary school have 8 ability sets then how are they going to sort new pupils appropriately without below, at or above?

nutty

From the scaled score if available to them.
From CATs
Or Primary teacher assessment
Or start mixed ability for 2 weeks and then set, adjust every half term.

Secondary schools do not just go on SATS results. They can get other info from the feeder primary schools and, of course, they run tests theselves.

All our local secondary schools use SAT results to place children in Y7 and use own end of year tests for Y8

Some of our secondaries do CAT testing on the taster days, a couple teach in form groups for the first two weeks while they do CAT testing and then set. Pupils are moved at the end of each half term if needed. Yr8 sets are done from teacher assessment and end of year exams.

Teen and a 'can go to Oxford at 12 years old' category for the super gifted.

Nutty, thankfully my sons' school have a grading system whereby they identified him as a future CEO of a multinational company following his KS1 SATS.

#FeelingBlessed

Mango Pah, that's nothing, mine is going to be the Prime Minister. And his report says he has morals and is honest so there!

Well if your school says he has morals & is honest and then in the next breath touts him as a future PM, then I cannot see why you would have such unshakeable faith in their judgement.....!

#MySchoolIsBetterThanYourSchool

It must be wishful thinking in the current crisis that they want the oxymoronic honest, upstanding PM.

Maybe he'll be a spin doctor instead

Proper lol'd at that!

Glad to be of service, cheers

For Key stage 1 , So the lowest is 85 ,the highest maximum score is 115 , therefore average 100 .
For key stage 2 , lowest score 80 , highest 120 average 100 Seems clear to me 😊X
I'd be inclined smile and wave if parents try to tell you their little darlings exceeded the maximum s ore 😂😊