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KS1 SATs this week...

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WhattodoSue · 16/05/2016 18:29

In our school at least. I'm curious to know if my DD notices, or comments on anything different to normal happening. There has been no explicit build up to them really. Just normal school work (although I did get the comment that English was boring because it is just grammar - although that was probably before SPaG was cancelled).

I must confess, I'm also curious to know what teachers think of them level wise. And I can't quite get my head round how the formal administration could work if they are much to hard for some children. Do those children get to do something else when they have had enough? I cannot imagine how the whole thing could work.

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WhirlwindHugs · 18/05/2016 10:48

DD is doing them this week, she doesn't seem to have noticed!

I would like to know how she's done (probably not massively well, despite trying extremely hard and great teachers)

Feenie · 18/05/2016 18:13

Yes but you will have to give the results to the parents that ask.

Why do you think it isn't statutory to report them, Clare? Genuine question.

catkind · 18/05/2016 19:05

DS had one today. It was fairly low down his list of things to report, top trumps at break time was much more interesting, followed by the lunch menu. It was "quite fun" though. Probably rather less fun for the children who can barely read the passages I would hazard.

Clareoo223 · 18/05/2016 20:14

I'm just coming at it as a parent that is always open and honest. When my DS says I'm not very good at XX I explain that you can't win/ be the best at everything. ( plenty of things he's not great at) When he is interested I give him all of the information he needs. He's interested, he asked why they sit them I explained.

He knows not to boast, school are really good at nipping that in the bud.

Feenie it is included on the government SAT documents. Schools do not have to publish results but do have to inform parents if they ask.

Clareoo223 · 18/05/2016 20:15

I agree it's probably not fun to sit the second English paper if your not a really good reader. I hope teachers just removed those children.

SitsOnFence · 18/05/2016 20:29

Apparently DS's class sat 2 papers last week, although none of the children seem to be aware of having done so. I only found out because a TA I know mentionned it. All DS has spoken of is a craft project they've been working on as part of this term's class topic and what they've had for lunch (the important bit of the day). I have massive amounts of respect for his teacher!

We won't be bringing it up at all at home, not least because DD will be doing them next year and tends to get rather worked up about this sort of thing.

Clareoo223 · 18/05/2016 20:30
  1. Summary
Teacher assessment (TA) is the main focus for end of key stage 1 (KS1) assessment and reporting. It is carried out as part of teaching and learning. From the statutory guidance Feenie.

The statutory national curriculum tasks and tests must be administered to all eligible pupils who are working at level 1 or above in reading, writing and mathematics. These inform the final TA judgements reported for each pupil at the end of KS1.

Schools are not obliged to report task or test results separately. However, parents must be allowed access to their child’s results on request.

Clareoo223 · 18/05/2016 20:31

From the statutory guidance Feenie

Sorry it butchered my copy/paste..

mrz · 18/05/2016 20:32

Do the government SAT documents apply to a parent not wishing to tell her son?

Clareoo223 · 18/05/2016 20:33

Our school put the children in the hall, they had to sit in silence and were escorted to the loo.

How can a child not know? It's clearly a test.

mrz · 18/05/2016 20:34

The statutory national curriculum tasks and tests must be administered to all eligible pupils who are working at level 1 or above in reading, writing and mathematics. These inform the final TA judgements reported for each pupil at the end of KS1.

You are quoting old information Clare there are no levels

Hulababy · 18/05/2016 20:45

We do them over 3 weeks, mornings only - half a class at a time, some children in smaller groups than that. We do them in classrooms, with their normal class teacher - and in the case of the maths papers with an extra reader where required. We say we are doing some quizzes or challenges (they are used to the term challenge as we do chilli challenges throughout the year in our ordinary lessons) and that they are in special workbooks. They are used to some of the formats as we have developed some of our worksheets and individual questions/chilli challenges to be in a similar format to their see in the papers.

However we have many parents - far more this year than ever before - using the terms tests, SATs and even exams to their children. We ended up having to do a shot circle time to discuss some related stuff as some children were coming in talking about them, having done a fair bit of external prep and passing on comments to other children.

We have various other enrichment activities which take place for those children not doing the papers with the class teacher. This may be additional computing, sports and dance, topic work, outdoor learning, etc. and there has been small groups guided reading, maths and english throughout too. These are supervised and delivered by HLTA and TAs, as well external agencies for things like the sport.

The new administration sets out how they should take place. We are even supposed to check 6 and 7 year olds for mobile phones! And displays such as maths vocal and number squares have had to be removed. So most children, IME, do know things are different. But we do try to ensure that different doesn't be worrying or scary, and that its nothing to get upset or bothered by.

So far the children all seem fine and unbothered by them. Can be demoralising for children tackling papers which are just beyond them - but we have, and continue to do so, encouraged them to have a go and miss questions out and move on if they need to.

Bitlost · 18/05/2016 20:51

Whenever my DD tells me what other kids have done well, or not, I tell her firmly to mind her own business and concentrate on her work/behaviour.

Clareoo223 · 18/05/2016 20:55

Schools are not required to report test results to their LA or the next school when a pupil moves. However, where the school has recorded this data it can choose whether to include these results in any data provided to the LA or next school (see section 10). LAs do not give test results to the DfE.

Schools are not obliged to report test results to parents in an annual report (see section 9). However, parents must be allowed access to their child’s results on request.

From the 2016 .... Basically it's the same... results available on request.

mrz · 18/05/2016 20:58

Schools do not have to report KS1 test results they have to report KS1 Teacher Assessment results.

Clareoo223 · 18/05/2016 21:06

Then you might need to have a word with the government Mrz they don't agree with you.

Feenie · 18/05/2016 21:08

Our school put the children in the hall, they had to sit in silence and were escorted to the loo.

That's horrible. What the hell for?

We do them like hulababy's school, but 10 chi per day.

Feenie · 18/05/2016 21:10

That's rubbish, clare.

Any info on your child is available as part of the data protection act. Question still stands - why do you think even the dfe don't require the test results to be reported?

Feenie · 18/05/2016 21:13

As in - why isn't it a statutory requirement, instead of something - like ANYTHING - that you may request?

Clareoo223 · 18/05/2016 21:16

I don't know or care about anything the government does ( they are not exactly doing a great job with education)

I thought that this year a dry run for next when they change key stage one SATs into a league table? ( its coming isn't it)

I just want the scores for my boy and its OK to ask for them I think.

Feenie · 18/05/2016 21:24

Nicky Morgan is considering the possibility of making KS1 tests externally marked, but it's far from a done deal - the NAHT and the NUT in particular would be strongly opposed.

The league table notion is way off the mark.

mrz · 18/05/2016 21:24

Legal requirement Clare

KS1 SATs this week...
Feenie · 18/05/2016 21:26

I don't know or care about anything the government does

Your case for that assertion would be stronger if you stopped misinterpreting dfe requirements at us all!

Clareoo223 · 18/05/2016 21:48

How have I misinterpreted the information on the government website?

Feenie · 18/05/2016 21:57

KS1 teacher assessments have to be reported to you as a legal requirement.

You may ask for test results - just as you may ask for any information about your child.

There is a clear difference.