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A question for any parent helper who hears children read...

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Knockmesideways · 04/03/2016 11:38

How is space 'allocated' in your school for helpers who come to listen to kids read?

The reason I ask is that our school's 'system' seems manic to me but I don't know if it's the norm or there's a better way!

I started helping one afternoon a week just before Christmas. I have list of 10 regular readers and am in for 1.5 hours. Some of the kids still have to sound out (they are year 4 children) and some on my list are fast readers but don't get a lot of practice so the time I spend with each child varies.

The last couple of months though, I have had problems getting any space to hear the kids read (even a couple of chairs in the corridor quite literally).

The worst was a month ago. Normally I get the classroom to my self for the first 45 minutes as DS's class have music. Sometimes, though, the class is actually in the room and I need to find somewhere else to go as the teacher likes the readers to have peace and quiet - i.e. not reading to me at the back of the class.

This was one occasion when the class was using the room for the whole afternoon. There is a desk on the landing outside my DS's class but a woman from a charity uses that two afternoons a week to work with some children who need extra tuition and she's in that day. The teacher said another classroom should be free. This classroom is not used by a class - it's for assessments, reading, breakout groups etc so free for anyone to use. So off I trundle with my first reader. The room is being used by an assessor for some of the special needs children. Fair enough, we try the library. Nope, that's being used by some year 6 children doing their English class and having a break out discussion group. So I send the child back to the classroom whilst I go to the front office to see if I can find anywhere else I can park my backside. On the way I pass the two tables in the corridor which I have used for reading in the past. Both occupied.

Front office don't have a list of rooms (by which time I am wondering if I will actually hear any reading or will wander the halls of the school like a manic Miss Haversham...) but they think the ICT suite is free for the first part of the afternoon that day. So I slap my coat on a chair, race up to get my first reader and on we go. Fifteen minutes later (cos I've spent 20 minutes looking for a bloody space to read) I am chucked out of the ICT suite as a class is starting! So the trudge up the corridor to find space began again. Finally, after another wasted 10 minutes, I spotted the year 6 kids coming out of the library and bagged it!

It seems that various helpers over the years have suggested to the office that it would be helpful if there was a booking system for rooms rather than the first come first served system there is now. Most of them (including me of course) come on set days so space could be allocated (even if it is table 2 in the corridor!) well in advance. That way, when assessors etc come in the school knows what space it has available. But nothing has changed.

To me, coming from an office background where you checked with reception which room was available for a meeting, booked it and then got on with your work in it, it seems such a waste precious reading time to be charging up and down corridors looking for two blooming chairs so you can sit with a child and read. I spent a total of 25-30 minutes finding space - 25 minutes I could have had helping some of my less able readers get to grips with their books.

So, long windedly, what do other schools do? Is our school the norm or do other schools have some system in place?

A few of us want to put suggestions on the table on how things could work just a little better but it'd be nice to know if we're just wanting too much before we start! As I said, I don't mind if I have a couple of chairs in a quiet corridor but when all of those even seem to be occupied it smacks of the school accepting help willy nilly, when they actually don't have the space that day.

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melonribena · 05/03/2016 22:51

I've done assessments with children from my class sitting on the floor in the corridor. Schools very rarely have free space, it's all used. I'd just grab two chairs and a pen and find a quietish spot at the end of the corridor. That's what my volunteers do. I also wouldn't be happy about them being alone in a classroom with a child.
Reading volunteers are like gold dust but find a corner and get on with it

steppemum · 05/03/2016 23:00

We are not allowed to be on our own with a child as we are not crb checked. So empty classrooms etc would not be appropriate for us.

wow. every parent helper in the classroom has to be crb checked.

We have a small school and lack of space.
I read either at the back of the class. I position myself so that we are turned away from the class, so there is no visual distraction. When I helped in reception in the class I used to keep a close eye on what the teacher was doing, and as soon as she was about to do a quiet activity on the carpet I would grab child X as he had hearing issues and needed to be able to hear me!

The other place is outside the classroom in the corridor, with 2 chairs. Not ideal but surprisingly workable as it is at least quiet.

Jesabel · 05/03/2016 23:03

I think it's the same everywhere. I would just make do with some chairs in the corridor or in the back of the classroom.

catkind · 06/03/2016 01:08

As a volunteer i don't think you can really just say 'actually we'll just take some chairs outside the door', when the teacher has told you to go and find an empty room. The teacher should be suggesting these solutions, not the volunteers. Perhaps OP when the place suggested is busy you should just go back to the teacher and ask what next.

BlossomMagic · 06/03/2016 01:28

I just grab 2 chairs and sit in a corridor

mrz · 06/03/2016 06:59

I'm sure the teacher would appreciate someone who is able to use their own initiative when no room available rather than having to spend time sorting it out.

Washediris · 06/03/2016 09:20

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Cressandra · 08/03/2016 00:40

we go to the library. It's not quiet but there are things to sit on. There's always a TA working with a small group, and another pair of reader and helper, and normally a few kids browsing and taking out books. Last time there was another focus group thing in there too.

It sounds trivial but it's not that easy to "just grab 2 chairs". Every chair in the room is allocated to a specific child.

I used to help at infants, and they often had different tasks happening at each table, so I guess I never really expected to get much separation from people doing other work.

somewheresomehow · 08/03/2016 16:01

We sit on the stage behind some screens, sometimes you can't hear because the kids are having 'pe' in the hall but we just carry on. We are all crb checked and have signed various forms to do with safeguarding , use of phones (switched off while in school) contact numbers in case of illness although my DD would take me home if need be as she is teaching at the school

PerspicaciaTick · 08/03/2016 16:13

Not only are all the chairs usually being used by children, but putting them in the corridor can cause access problems for other children and staff moving around the school (especially the children using walking aids or wheelchairs). In the school I work in, it would also block access to the fire exit. The corridors are already full of lunchbox trolleys, book shelves and other paraphernalia so the chairs either have to go in front of a door or in the middle of the corridor.

mrz · 08/03/2016 17:54

If you are taking a child out the class their chair isn't being used.

Washediris · 08/03/2016 18:09

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PerspicaciaTick · 08/03/2016 18:23

mrz - If I'm reading with 8 different children in an afternoon in 3 different classes, I really don't want everyone to have to play musical chairs every time I take someone out of class.

mrz · 08/03/2016 19:47

Ive got to be honest if it was such a problem id suggest you tidied the art cupboard instead

WhoKnowsWhereTheTimeG0es · 08/03/2016 20:11

There are little stacks of them all over the place in my DCs school plus fixed benches in the library, it's space to put them that's the issue. The system we follow is find a bit of space, check it's ok with the nearest member of staff (usually a TA doing interventions) and move if a staff member subsequently needs your space. Staff always take precedence over parent helpers.

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