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Reception year reading: PM Stars books

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Rulex101 · 21/01/2016 13:21

Hello,

Does anyone's DC's schools use the PM Stars series of books? If so, do you know what the corresponding levels are in relation to ORT? I only ask because I've read through many threads on here which refer to ORT but I am none the wiser as to what level my son should be reading at because his school seems to use a different reading scheme to most.

Many thanks!

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Paperm0ver · 24/01/2016 13:19

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Mashabell · 24/01/2016 19:08

Papermover
What makes a big difference is the amount one-to-one help children get with learning to read, and as u are clearly providing plenty of it, this is making a difference.

The method by which this is done is far less important than phonics fanatics claim.

It would be insane not to start with teaching the main sounds for the 73 main English spellings (as exemplified in the words A, at, bat, cat, cot, cut, dad, hat, mat, pat, sat, rat, set, sit, get, net, fit, kit, jam, leg, van, wet, box, yak, zip,
quit,

the thing, chip, pitch, ship, station,
mate, main, may, tea, tree, here, kite, fly, high, pie,

rope, road, go, toe, cute, cue, new, out, now, boot foot,

autumn, all, crawl, arm, hair, care, her, third, turn, or, more,

cinema, fence, kick, cage, cadge, vision, was, squat, worm).

But even such words children don't read fluently until they recognise them by sight.

This is even more true of words in which some letters have irregular pronunciations (any, both, kind).
Beyond the basic level, it's simply practice that turns children into fluent readers. (My 6-yr-old grandson gave me another perfect demonstration of that today with Horton Hatches and Egg.)

Paperm0ver · 24/01/2016 19:40

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HarveySchlumpfenburger · 25/01/2016 00:33

I don't think lazy would be a word I'd use to describe you, papermover. IIRC you saw the issue early on and acted quickly. Lazy would have been letting the school get on with it.

Glad to hear that she is doing well now.

mrz · 25/01/2016 06:30

Definitely not lazy Flowers

Paperm0ver · 25/01/2016 14:22

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maizieD · 25/01/2016 15:19

Good thread that, Papermover Grin

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 25/01/2016 19:36

It was an excellent thread. I'd forgotten how early into her reception year your DD had been put off reading by the mixed methods teaching she was getting.

I love how you say you can't take on the school in your second post, but 8 days later have researched IOE and RR and by the end of the thread have most definitely taken on the school. Grin

Feenie · 25/01/2016 20:02

Grin I liked that bit too!

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 25/01/2016 20:41

That and Maizie's description of Rosen. Grin

ihearttc · 25/01/2016 21:02

Wow Ive just read your whole thread Papermover...did you end up buying the dandelion readers? Ive just had a look at the ones that Mrz linked to and they look amazing.

DS2 is in Reception and he has the PM books, Collins Big Cat, ORT and Rigby Star. He is definitely a phonetic reader (not correct term Im sure but you get what I mean!) whereas DS1 just looked at a word and knew what it was. DS2 is struggling with several of the digraphs at the moment...he keeps sounding them out as individual sounds yet when i remind him what sound they make it gets the word straight away and remembers it next time. A whole book of using the same digraph would be really helpful as I think its lack of practice that isn't helping. We do read every night (and often in the morning as well) but his books don't have a huge amount of decodeable words in them.

Rulex101 · 25/01/2016 22:43

Paperm0ver, thanks so much for posting your old thread. It's a really interesting and helpful read. It's made me even more determined to continue with the phonics training I'm giving my son at home. Plus I've bought the Songbirds books which he reads alongside the school books he's sent home with. Many thanks again.

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Paperm0ver · 26/01/2016 14:16

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Rulex101 · 27/01/2016 11:05

Paperm0ver: You were on a mission, but well done to you. You should be thoroughly proud of yourself! Thanks for the links, by the way.

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ilovetosleep · 27/01/2016 13:27

Sorry to butt in, this thread has really got me thinking. Haven't read the thread linked to yet but will do. DS is at a high acheiving state school but not UK (near enough though!) We don't have proper inspections here and the school (in fact the whole area, all the schools as far as I know inc private) use mixed methods.

They seem very hot on phonics and are doing all their sounds very thoroughly, there is a phonics intervention group and they use Read Write Inc for phonics. DS has certainly got the hang of phonics and blends well. I listen reading at the school and I know now that he is in the top few of his class so I haven't really had to worry, but I do see readers that are really struggling. It seems weird to me that they are so big on phonics yet they still maintain that other strategies are essential eg picture clues, sight words. We haven't had any flash cards though with high frequency tricky words like most of the other local schools. (thank god)

Anyway, I'm not too worried about DS1 as he really seems to love reading and is doing really well. I know enough about phonics to have invested in the Songbirds books and some superhero phonics readers. But its clear that the kids that are struggling are just guessing and have no clue about blending - this is being covered in their phonics intervention sessions but they are clearly confused. It makes me worry about DS2 as I suspect he won't be the avid natural reader that DS1 is, and of course I worry about the other kids too.

Sadly I don't feel that I can kick up a fuss - I'm too involved with the school , I know a lot of the teachers outside of school (who all believe that mixed methods are fab) and a close relative used to teach there and still has all her friends there. But its good to see what I should be doing at home (shouldn't have to really...) and prepare myself for if DS2 needs help. So my main Q really is this: is reading phonics based readers at home with DS enough at this stage given he is learning his sounds at school and doing really well with them? We will continue to read the school books (PM, Collins Big Cat, ORT old books, Rigby Star) to keep everyone happy.

Lastly - why the hell do they keep making these books if schools are meant to be using phonics only?

Rulex101 · 27/01/2016 19:08

Hi ilovetosleep, welcome to the thread! I am the OP and the guys on here have helped me no end (particularly Paperm0ver!) so I'm sure they'll be able to help you too. I can't answer your last question (!) but I can give you some input regarding what you could be doing at home. I asked DS's teacher today whether she could let me know which phonic sounds they are practising each day and she was very obliging. My plan is to reinforce those sounds with the relevant Songbirds books I have at home, so he actually gets to practise those sounds when they are fresh in his mind. Then, if he still wants to read more, I'll move on to the reading book sent home from school. As already discussed, the ORT books he gets given are not fully decodable which is why I invested in the Songbirds collection and I have to say, these books are brilliant and make total sense. I hope that helps.

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HarveySchlumpfenburger · 27/01/2016 19:21

As long as it is commercially viable, publishers will continue to sell them. And as you've realised there are plenty of teachers who still think a mixed method approach is necessary.

In addition to that new books aren't cheap. Even though matched funding was available replacing the earlier stages of your reading scheme with enough decodable books is very expensive so some schools will be sending home books they have had for years.

ilovetosleep · 27/01/2016 19:34

Thank you rulex, that is sort of what we are doing anyway. eg this week they are doing sh and ch, so we have read 'Fish and Chips' and 'this and that' from Songbirds alongside his school books.

Rafa I see your point. However DSs school has just bought a shed load of new books and they are all from the same ranges! Argh!

I was with some private school parents today who were comparing notes about which 'tricky sight words' their kids had grasped from their flash cards... they get 5 a week...

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 27/01/2016 19:55

That'll be part of my first point then. Teachers who believe a mixed method approach is necessary and keep the publishers in business. Grin

I'm aware of at least one school doing RWI who send home the RWI book to practice phonics and an old style look and say book for 'proper reading' and to help children practice their reading skills. Confused

maizieD · 27/01/2016 21:05

It makes you wonder, Rafa, if they think that phonics really has nothing at all to do with reading..[shaking head in amazement]

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 27/01/2016 21:37

I'm almost certain that there is a section of people who have massively misunderstood the SP message and think that phonics only literally means phonics only and nothing else at all.

It's so obviously ridiculous that nobody would do it. In the absence of decent training to correct that either people end up deciding that phonics can't be used to teach reading because reading is about more than decoding or think they are teaching 'mixed methods' by doing comprehension activities.

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