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Help REALLY needed - applying for primary school

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wobblyknicks · 29/11/2006 12:45

Call me absolutely mad but I've just found out I've got 2 days to apply for a primary school for dd (she's near the cut off and I was given the wrong info before so thought I had another year!!!) so I really need some urgent help with what to put on the application.

I know which one I want, there's 4 primary schools near me, two are big with not very good reputations, two are small with fab reputations but one's a catholic school and I'm not too keen on the whole religious based education thing. the one that's left is excellent, has big class sizes but has really caring teachers, a good headmaster, healthy meals cooked 'in house', fun lessons, the works. So I'm really anxious to get dd into that one.

But what am I supposed to put on the application? Is there anything thats a definite to mention or a complete no-no? Can I use the fact that its the closest one to me, that I want her in a small school, that I think the school's the best one in my area?

Please help

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Mae1 · 29/11/2006 12:50

What about just putting one choice on your application form and putting your reasons as stated in your message?
I've not been through this as dd1 attends catholic primary (only one in area) & she's a baptised catholic, so no issues re fighting for spaces!

wobblyknicks · 29/11/2006 13:01

Thanks, just worried if I only put one on, if she gets refused she'll be shunted to one of the rubbish ones.

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julienetmum · 29/11/2006 13:04

What are the admissions criteria? If it is based on distance from school, siblings, etc then nothing you say will make any difference really.

bakedpotato · 29/11/2006 13:14

Not true, julie. There are certainly extra points to be got, if wk's dd qualifies. For eg, if she's asthmatic mention that, as going to the nearby school will mean fewer busy roads to cross etc. (You'll need a GP's confirmation for anything like this)

No one told me this before we went through the application process, which is why I mention it now

julienetmum · 29/11/2006 13:25

That comes under the criteria though, health reasons or special needs is usually listed as a criteria.

Saying I really like the school will not make any difference as the LEa has to be seen to be applying the criteria fairly and correctly or someone who is refused a place could appeal.

julienetmum · 29/11/2006 13:29

Each LEA will be slightly different but this is for my local area

If the total number of applications for admission to a school, including second and third preferences, exceeds the school's Published Admissions Number (PAN), the following order of priority is used to allocate the available places, (if an applicant meets the admissions criteria of more than one preference then they will be offered a place at the school ranked highest):

(a) Relevant Looked After Children

(b) Pupils living within the catchment area of the school;

(c) Pupils who have an elder sibling in attendance at the school (or, for Infants schools, at the affiliated Junior school) and who will still be attending the school at the proposed admission date; (for admission purposes, a sibling is a child who lives at the same address and who is the brother/sister, half-brother/sister (children who share one common parent), step brother/step sister where two children are related by marriage. This definition also includes adopted or fostered children living at the same address).

(d) Pupil who satisfy both of the following tests:

Test 1: they are distinguished from the great majority of applicants either on medical grounds or by other exceptional circumstances.

Medical grounds must be supported by a medical report, (obtained by the parents). It must clearly justify, for health reasons only, why it is better for the child to attend the preferred school rather than any other school. Exceptional circumstances must relate to the choice of school, i.e. the circumstances of the child, not the economic or social circumstances of the parent. They should be supported by a professional report, e.g. social worker, justifying why it is better for the child to attend the preferred school rather than any other school.

Test 2: They would suffer hardship if they were unable to attend the school

(e) Pupils whose parents are regular attendees of the Church of England; or of a church in communion with the Church of England; or of a church which is affiliated to the Council of Churches for Great Britain and Northern Ireland or the Evangelical Alliance. Evidence of such attendance will be required in the form of a letter from a minister of the Churches concerned.

(This criterion can only be used by prior agreement with the Local Admissions Forum, which can consider its application to Voluntary Controlled Primary Schools. Use of the criterion will be listed against the school's entry in the C&LL document Information for Parents - Primary Schools).

(f) Other pupils arranged in order of priority according to how near their home addresses are to the school by the shortest walking route as measured by the Lifelong Learning Directorate's Geographical Information System.

Parents should note that in accordance with legislation, children who have a statutory statement of special educational need that names a particular school will be admitted to that school prior to any other places being allocated.

Relevant looked after children means children who are looked after by a local authority in accordance with section 22 of the Children Act 1989(b) and who (a) are looked after at the time an application is made and (b) in relation to whom the local authority has confirmed that the children will still be looked after at the time when the child will be admitted to school.

Where it is not possible to accommodate all pupils within a particular group the Education Service will allocate the available places in accordance with the remaining criteria. For example, if there are insufficient places for all catchment area pupils, places will be offered to those pupils who live in the catchment area and also satisfy criteria (c), then those who live in the catchment area and satisfy criteria (d) and so on.

All applications are considered against the published criteria with no priority awarded for early application.

Bluebear · 29/11/2006 13:35

I'd also say to check the admissions criteria (in our area you can see them on the web via the local council website) - unless there are significant documented special needs most schools round here are 1) child is 'looked after' ie. in care 2) child has special needs that require that school 3)elder sibling at school and child lives within 'catchment' 4) child lives within catchment (but no elder sibling at school) 5) child lives outside catchment (whether they have siblings at school or not)
Nothing else on the application form has any sway on the admissions people.
In our case, although we are only a few roads away from our catchment school (60 per year) there were 40 siblings within catchment and the remainder of year was made up of non-sibs who lived within 3 roads of the school.
And yes, if you only put 1 school down then, if you don't get a place in it, you will be allocated a place in one of the least popular schools in the area, which may be some distance from your house, so def. put down 2nd and 3rd choices!
It ends up being luck as to how many children are in your area and how close to the school you are.

wobblyknicks · 29/11/2006 14:53

Ok, have found the criteria, its basically the same as already mentioned, first public care, then catchment area (how do I find this out?), then professional recommendation (dd has no health problems so nothing there), then siblings, then proximity, then domestic reasons (eg next to place of work etc).

DD doesn't fill any of those, so I've basically got to hope on catchment area and low applications. So it really doesn't matter what I put then, that's a bit of a relief.

Thanks for all that advice, call me thick but I hadn't even looked at criteria, this is all incredibly new . Does anyone know if and how I can find out what a schools catchment area is?

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wobblyknicks · 29/11/2006 15:00

Really? Wow. Have just tried them but the woman who deals with admissions is on the phone so got to call back.

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wobblyknicks · 29/11/2006 15:10

Just found out that the schools in my area are 'treated as if they have the same catchment area' so apparently its only in a tie breaker situation that the nearest school is used. So I'm back to keeping my fingers crossed

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wobblyknicks · 29/11/2006 15:26

Looked up oversubscribed schools and the one I really want for dd had just fitted everyone in by sept last year, so not too much of a gloomy prospect I hope! Ah well, will apply and see, just glad its not down to my writing skills now

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julienetmum · 29/11/2006 15:43

themulledsnowman:

No-one is guaranteed a place at any school. Every school has a set number of places per year (their PIN or pupil intake number)if the number of places available is less than the number of children who apply then the criteria is followed.

You could live next door to a school and the next nearest be 10 miles away but if that year there were 30 places and there were 31 children applying all of whom were in the prescribed catchment but all other 30 children had siblings already at the school then your child would not get a place.

Blu · 29/11/2006 16:05

Wobblyknicks - say that it is the closest school to you, though, and point out the problems in travelling to the others - big roads etc.

wobblyknicks · 29/11/2006 16:16

Good suggestion Blu, only problem is that it is the shortest distance in theory but its a small road and a big hill, plus windy roads, and about quarter of a mile with no pavement and a busy road (but when she was older I'd walk her down it) compared to a longer distance but with very big and straight roads - would they take that into account or just accept my argument for nearness?

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