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In Year Application for LA Primary School not approved

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YogaPants2441 · 19/08/2015 11:30

We moved house two months ago and applied In-year for a primary school for both DA and DD in the LA. We live 0.4 miles from the closest school and we put this on a 1st place in our application. We have been waiting for 2 months and spoken to the School Admissions team and from our communication I can understand that they are very keen to leave my DC in their current school until they can get a place in one of the local ones. The current school has 2.8 miles distance and about 40 minutes with changing buses. In busy times this journey could exceed the legal 45 minutes. My mother-in-law will be taking the children to school as both DH and I work in the City and leave house at 6:45 am. I know that the legal distance is 3 miles but my mother-in-law has problems with her knees and it is not feasible for her to travel 4 times per day 40 minutes each one way. I lost my sleep for the past 2 months because of this.
Can I de-register DC from their existing school which is in another borough and opt for home tutoring until places are allocated please? Is it worth to contact the new school directly in order to get a place? If I de-register DC from the old school will this affect my DS's application for 11+ this year?
I hope someone could help please.

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Pipbin · 26/08/2015 17:39

I think you have to be quite careful not to fully equate output with school input. By all means look for schools that seem happy and well run but don't necessarily believe every statistic you see.

Well put. Correlation does not equal causation.

For example - imagine that in a certain town there is one school that is perceived as being very good and all the others are just OK.
The parents who want their children to attend the very good school will buy houses in the catchment area, pushing up the prices, and will do what ever else they can to ensure that their child get into that school.
Other parents who aren't so bothered will not worry about it and will send their child to the nearest school.
Could it be that the parents who put such a great value into their education as to consider paying over the odds for a house and jump through hoops just to get themselves into the very good school will also be the kind of parents to hire tutors, read with their children, help them with home work and generally take an interest in their education.
I feel this is often the case with montessori nurseries. Not to say anything against the method but that the kind of parents who will seek out a montessori nursery are the kind of parents who have the time, money and inclination to help their children at home.

YogaPants2441 · 26/08/2015 18:20

Sorry, tiggytape, my mistake, I din't make myself clear. In my home country you go to the local state school and there are no bad schools. You still need some private tutoring to get a place in a school with good reputation, but the costs are not over the top. Most pupils back home get to university and are very well educated. I was saying that more schools should be build in the UK in order to meet the demand for people not to get stressed and spend months in waiting for a space in the school.
With a 'good school' I also mean the vibe in the school. In a grammar school you will get competitive children whose parents are also ambitious and they have prepared and have the habits, discipline and responsibilities.

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W00t · 26/08/2015 22:37

Where on earth are you from, that 90% of people go to university? Canada has the highest rates of Tertiary education, and theirs is around 50%!

multimamma · 29/08/2015 02:01

I have laughed reading this thread ???? can i take a guess and say eastern europe? (I am as well so i can recognize the 'vibe') ????

YogaPants2441 · 29/08/2015 11:56

Eastern Europe indeed.

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RandomMess · 29/08/2015 12:03

If 90% of people go to university doesn't it make a degree of little worth as it is clearly achievable to the masses?

YogaPants2441 · 01/09/2015 13:00

May be not 90% but definitely above 50%. There are no bad schools in my home country. Most of the students who completes high schools with decent notes and speaks English gets in their first choice universities in the UK.
The degrees are worth it, but the government does not provide opportunities for people to work for what they have studied for. That is why there are so many East European people working in the UK/abroad.

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SawdustInMyHair · 01/09/2015 13:23

How can it be above 50% if as above Canada has the highest at 50%?

Also it sounds from what you just said above that You still need some private tutoring to get a place in a school with good reputation, but the costs are not over the top. - if schools are selective through exams then they're bond to have more children going to university as they're selecting the children best at exams!

YogaPants2441 · 01/09/2015 15:38

Private tutoring for highly selective schools like St Olaves or QE or HB. You can get into other excellent state schools without private lessons as topics are covered in school. 11+ is not covered in normal even outstanding schools.

My original comment was that there are schools for everyone locally and you do not have to wait. You get a place in your local school and you are not fussy about another primary as we do not have bad schools. And with good grades (you get grades and tests from pre-school) you can get to an excellent secondary school.

Percentage is vague and varies every year, which statistics are you referring to please?

Sorry, I do not underestimate education in the UK, I believe that university education here is one of the most sought after. But until you get there is a real challenge.

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Electrolux2 · 01/09/2015 15:46

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YogaPants2441 · 01/09/2015 16:05

There are for sure. But not many.

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SawdustInMyHair · 01/09/2015 16:14

Vanilla the statistics for university entry don't vary that much year-to-year in any country. Here's some statistics for you, though, they're pretty easy to google. 247wallst.com/special-report/2013/10/15/the-most-educated-countries-in-the-world-2/3/

You've just repeated what I said about schools re. using exams to get in to secondary schools. Wherever you're from, selective entry means you're selecting for families who can afford tutors (probably who have been to university themselves) and children who can pass exams at a certain age. Naturally those schools will have more children going to university.

It would be pointless for schools to cover the 11+ as it isn't useful knowledge for anything other than passing the 11+, it's an IQ test.

I'd love to know how you expect every school to accommodate whoever applies! Perhaps keep them half empty in case more people move to the area? Teach the extra kids in caravans? Increase class sizes? Allocate families to live in different areas so not too many of them live near the schools?

You seem to have a lot of misconceptions and prejudices, and it's pretty unpleasant. I love how you came in here insulting people on benefits (not even accurate insults) etc and then weep that you didn't come to be insulted!

blaeberry · 01/09/2015 17:35

I don't understand it. If your home country offers such wonderful education in all schools then why does anyone pay for tutoring? Also if only certain schools have a 'good reputation' then presumably others don't? Why bother trying to get into that school if nearly everyone gets into the first choice of UK university? Actually, it must be a very small county or Oxbridge (most people's first choice) would be full of your countries school leavers. It also seems very unlikely that everyone will attend a school less than 2.8 miles away...

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YogaPants2441 · 02/09/2015 12:16

Thank you everyone for your great help.

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YogaPants2441 · 03/09/2015 13:25

Electrolux2, SawdustInMyHair, blaeberry, your claims for me being judgmental and insulting are coming actually from your posts - picking up on certain phrases, this was not the main point of the topic. You even did not read properly and just put your comments in.

So you rely on google mainly for statistics?!

The system in my country is very different than the one in the UK, if there is a demand on school places - schools get built. No one keeps empty spaces and classes do not over exceed 30 children, even 25. And the ovarall education rate in my country is 98%.

With regards to my weeping: many of us come here with university degrees, good command of English language (not speaking about myself) and have to start from the scratch as our home work experience is not taken into account. We don't complain and do whatever is asked from us. Often being managed by people with basic education. And we achieve in very short terms usually.

In an ideal world benefits would be allocated only to people who need them, not to those cheating the system. I have never generalised all people living on benefits, but was speaking from a 8 - year experience in such area and neighbours. Please refer to my first posts.

I knew people who prefer not to work and sit at home and never intended to work. Others - disrespecting the law and committing crimes. Certainly this is their own choice as they live their own live. But I am not tolerating behavior as such.

Same applies for my choice and preference - schoolmates for my DC with parents with university background. I feel for those in need and my statement does not apply to them (did I actually made any statements?)

I won't give up and will do everything I am capable of to send my DC to schools with good reputation, universities, turn them into knowledgeable, competitive, intelligent people and good persons. And teach them to speak at least 2 more languages apart from their native and English.

I'm surprised how my small question for the local primary school turned into such a major benefits discussion.

Peace !

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softhedgehog · 03/09/2015 20:12

Good luck with your search VanillaLatte13. Though I must say that I'm amazed you've settled in this backward country when you come from such a haven of education and good upbringing.

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