Right to know KS2 SATS levels

[HPFA]

Does anyone know whether you have a right to know your child's actual SATS marks or sub-levels? Having got her overall levels last week I was expecting them in her school report but got that today and .....nothing.

Not just me, DD was disappointed as well and says she wants to know "how she did." As her secondary school will use the marks for setting next year I feel I want to know what set she might be likely to get into.It seems from another Mumsnet thread that other parents have been given the sub-levels, Has anyone else only been given the overall grade?

I think schools just have to report the overall grade.

If I recall correctly marks are never reported, and sub levels are effectively "made up" by the school - they are not officially reported but some schools do them unofficially.

You can always ask.

I knew DS's raw KS2 scores, but at secondary school his teachers didn't seem to be aware of anything more than the overall levels.

We've only been given overall grades as well, though we did get the teacher assessed sub-levels on DS's report. Even if the secondary set based on SATS results, presumbably childrem move about anyway?

Her secondary school would have received her results on the same day as the primary school - all the raw scores in all papers, including level 6 (whether achieved or not), and all the teacher assessed levels too. Her individual teachers probably won't have anything other than the overall grade but the school would have the full results for setting purposes (if they use that).

I would ask for the raw scores. There is quite a big difference between my DS who got 80/100 in maths (scraped a level 5c) and others who achieved 99/100 (clear level 5a). If they are reluctant maybe ask if you can have them on the last day of term (so less chance of children comparing raw scores etc).

There aren't any official sub levels for the SATs if schools are giving parents sub levels they are making them up

But schools do need "to make them up" as they are measured against ( in year 6) the percentage of children classed as "secondary ready" ( ie at 4B) There is a standard process for determining sub levels which although technically not official, is used by every year 6 teacher I know!!

What year group?

Y6 - the level achieved must be reported to parents.

Y3-5 NC levels no longer exist.

Do they? I must tell my head when I get to school tomorrow that we need to make up imaginary sub levels ????

Think the official /gov line on reporting to parents - is just the straight level (no sub levels) must be reported to parents. Anything more is down to individual schools.

Have you read the RAISE onlne report? In it you will find measures of 4b and also of average points progress using sub levels. In addition value added measures are calculated using points progress. So in reality the only measure which DOESNT use sub levels is the measure of whole level progress!

And you and your Head won't have to calculate them, RAISE online calculates fine points scores ( ie sub levels) for you from the scores achieved by individual children in each test.

We send home the official print outs which don't include sub levels that didn't actually exist in the old national curriculum

As do we but, as I have had to calculate sub levels and progress measures for my meeting with the Local Authority Education Advisor, they have also been told their actual mark and the sub level this represents.

Once again I'm grateful to work in a sensible LEA

HPFA - schools don't have to tell you mark/sub level but I'm sure they would if you just asked. They may not have crunched numbers for sub levels yet (probably a bit busy with sports day/end of year reports/productions etc etc) but I'm sure if you asked for her marks - that's an easy job and I'm sure they would give them. Threshold link below x

Mrz - every RAISE raise online since 2013 report includes a 4B+ level judgement as do the performance tables for this year. APS is caluclated from fine levels. Although goodness knows what will happen next year!

Sub level threshold for anyone that needs them - www.tes.co.uk/teaching-resource/2015-key-stage-2-sats-level-threshold-tables-11074281

Raise and DFE performance tables all work from 4b plus-it is not down to individual LAs to choose not to use them. 4b is a definite measure to determine school performance from y2-y6. Last year for this though obviously.

As a Y6 teacher, I do give the children their raw score if they ask. Many are interested though obviously we try to play it down and tell them to focus on TA.

Many thanks for these replies. Degreaser - that's exactly how I feel - that there's a big difference between scraping a 4 or 5 and being the top mark in 5A.
Anyway,after a bit of E-Mail correspondence the school have now given me the marks , so thanks to Effic I can now work things out! For anyone interested she got 4A in Maths, 5c in Reading (but only one mark off a 5B) and 5B in SPAG (but only one mark off a 5A). So fingers crossed that these will get her into reasonable sets in secondary. The school has nine sets for English and Maths so I'm hoping maybe 2 or 3 for English and 4 or 5 for Maths. Hope that's realistic.

Thanks for that very helpful response Tiggytape - you are quite right - I just don't want her to feel discouraged about being in a "lower set" . Actually I think she's become quite discouraged by seeing how easily some of the Level 6 children appear to find maths - I think she'll probably do better being with others all at her level - but I want her to be in high enough sets for the children to still be well motivated

We just got straight levels for both teacher assessment and SATS. I'm going to ask for raw scores. Every year we've been given sub levels. Don't see why they'd stop now. And I agree with degreaser - there's a bit difference between scraping a 5C (which is what I think DD has done in maths) and a 5A which is a mark or two off a perfect score.

We should be getting SATs results today, and I've no idea whether they give sub levels or not at our school....but as the secondaries around here do CATs tests on entry to set, and then adjust as needed (and dd is going to a school that doesn't go by SATs or CATs as had entrance exam), hopefully its not going to be a huge deal either way.