Reception report - meaning of exceeding

[Rox19]

Hello
My DC had reception report back and is 12 exceeding, 5 expected.
She was quite a long way ahead when she started school.
I'll be trying to get her in 7+ intake at a selective school.
How do I know what the expected progress for this profile does anyone know?

Eg does exceeded mean look at attaining a level 5 at year 6 level or do I have to ask for an NC level at parents eve? I just wondered if exceeded equates always to a NC level.

Thanks for any help & please don't flame me !

We might have to disagree on whether the new one is better. Neither is perfect but I don't think the new one is necessarily better than the old. Getting rid of it might just be the best thing that the government has done.

"Sorry but I also think that when a teacher has 30 pupils - no way can she just instantly assess all of them and know them so well - and it is completely subjective - even with evidence. Until kids are old enough to sit a test such as the Phonics Test(but even that has been plagued with human non-objective malpractice), there is really no completely fair way to assess and ability group."

Don't under estimate the power of a reception teacher. They are super natural human beings with eyes in the back of their heads. We saw my son's old reception teacher the other day. She still has a psychological power over him inspite of the fact she taught him eight years ago. She told him to do up his shoe laces and he complied.

Why do you think that teacher assessment is unfair? All a teacher is doing is seeing where a child is and planning what to do next. Provided that a child is happy and getting appriopiate work it really does not matter what exceeding means in a different school. Getting too hung up on grades at an early age does no one any favours.

Catkind it's meant to be a "best fit" not a tick everything exercise
Then DS school were doing it wrong. No big surprise, his reception teacher did seem quite tick-boxy all round. Even apart from schools doing it wrong, there's a lot of room for being subjective in a "best fit" exercise.

Do parents get to know the results of the baseline testing? I'd be quite interested to know for DD next year.

Lots of settings are doing it wrong....

No Prôudmama Development Matters wasn't touted as anything ... It is what it is ... The non statutory document that supports the statutory content of the EYFS curriculum. The curriculum document was published in two parts, statutory and non statutory (Development Matters).

I think it's all rather bollocks and meaningless for parents, though I can see it makes reports quicker for teachers. I much, much preferred NC levels. Though it wasn't perfect you could see exactly where they were, what progress had been made and what the next steps were, and on a national level too. So you had a much better indication from Y2 onwards what the trajectory was likely to be and where they were likely to be at the end of Y5- which is critical in this area with the Kent test at the start of Y6. Now we get a little ticky box saying "exceeding expectations". Which could mean a bit above average but would probably struggle at grammar school or well ahead and will cope with the work easily. Big difference, which is now not reflected. Just rubbish.

It doesn't make reports quicker/easier for teachers ...previously teachers had to summarise 9 areas now they have to summarise 17 and Characteristics of Effective Learning

The amount of writing in the actual report is nowhere near comparable at our school. There is a tick box on attainment and effort and one box of text underneath, as opposed to seven or so boxes of text with a paragraph in each. Now, I didn't like that report format either with the standardised sentences but I did like the reference to levels. I'd rather have old fashioned grades than "below" "at" or "exceeding". I do like the effort columns though and say to DDs that it is the most important bit.

That's your school not the picture nationally

By law the school should provide a written summary of your child's achievement against all the ELGs and Characteristics of Effective Learning not simply provide tick boxes. They must also provide an opportunity to discuss the content with the teacher.

"So you had a much better indication from Y2 onwards what the trajectory was likely to be and where they were likely to be at the end of Y5- which is critical in this area with the Kent test at the start of Y6. Now we get a little ticky box saying "exceeding expectations". Which could mean a bit above average but would probably struggle at grammar school or well ahead and will cope with the work easily. Big difference, which is now not reflected. Just rubbish."

Children don't follow neat projectories. No one can provide you with a crystal ball on whether your child will cope at the grammar. In many ways the new system is better because it focusses on mastery more than demanding two levels of progress. Its nice if your child gets exceeding in everything, but your child is not set up for life by doing well at primary, yet alone reception.

It's all bollocks really. The main things I think were important that I got from dds reception teacher were things like 'as you know x,y, z are her close friends but if she'd rather do a different activity she'll join in with anyone' and 'she follows instructions' because those probably had more bearing than what stage she was at. Because children do change which level of development they're at regularly, and even those that develop in a reasonably straight line will still be at different points within the exceeding range, and age 5 I think behavior, social skills and attitude to learning has far more bearing on where they'll be later on than current academic level.
Of course the only exception is where there's reason to believe a child is struggling because of any additional need when intervention is better sooner rather than later.

I don’t think the DOB should be a deal breaker. My ds is born in September as well as another 7 in his class, however a lot of Sep born are not getting exceeds. There is a combination of natural ability and hard working attitude, otherwise why don’t we hear about September/October born genius?

The EYFS Profile this year is optional and has not been moderated by an LA or data checked.

@proudmama2772

Exceeding was originally meant to mean on the KS1 level spectrum so at least at a 1c. This of course applies mainly to 4 ELGs for literacy and maths as there isn't really a clear map for the other ELGs -even if there was what's the point?

It's beyond ridiculous that any school would use the Foundation Stage profile to map what a child should be targeted to achieve at KS1. If the DFE are putting in place baseline tests that should ability group and target a 4/5 year old for what they do at 7 and the teacher's union and parents are just sitting by and letting it happen

shame on England!

I'm so glad my youngest have grown out of this bs/malarkey. I could never be a primary teacher and take all this seriously. It would really upset me everyday.

the Dame Tickell review that led to the new profile highlighted serous concerns with the previous profile's excessively complicated scoring (that had no sounds mathematical basis - tickboxes summing into an overall count). The 17 ELG was a minimalization - a common sense change - of the original. I wish someone could explain to me the English obsession with classifying children into academic ability groups. With all the effort put into it they could just give them the IQ tests.

That isnt accurate (former LA EYFS Profile Assessment Lead, National Date Lead for EYFS and STA Adviser)

Just realised a zombie thread-arrghhh

My little girl has just got exceeding in all 17 areas.... obviously I think she's wonderful, but I'm sure i'd say she's exceptional.

She's very keen to learn, picks things up easily and just wants to do her work all the time, hope her enthusiasm for learning continues.

She's 5 though, and whilst it's wonderful she's progressed so well academically, i'm just pleased she's settled into school so well and made lots of lovely friends :)

I'm NOT sure i'd say she's exceptional!