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Final decision: State or private in London?

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Rabbitsnap · 05/06/2015 13:34

We need to make a final decision by this coming Monday as to which school we choose. I am constantly changing my mind, and would love to hear experiences from people who have made the same decision, and are either pleased or have regrets.
The state school is round the corner, and is outstanding, though has a very mixed intake, with some behaviourally challenging children(in words of headmaster)and many children who arrive in reception considerably below the average level. It has an amazing community feel to it, and I already socialise with many of the parents who send their children there. I would feel very sad about removing my son from this local community. My main concerns about the school are focused on what it can offer him relative to the other school.
The private school is a ten minute drive. It is also outstanding, and has a really lovely feel about it. It is non selective, non profit making, focused on pastoral care, yet gets children into great London day schools, and really stretches more able pupils. Our child would be in far smaller class with more support, and specialist teachers in French, music, art etc. My main concern with this school is the practicalities of the commute, and the fact that socially I feel less comfortable with the type of parents there. Some of the children we have met on open days have also seemed a bit irritating, though others have been very sweet.
Our child seems to be very bright (preschool call him gifted, but he is certainlly not a genius), he has very intense interests, can focus amazingly well when he chooses to, is very sensitive, quirky and creative, but can also be difficult to focus on tasks he is not interested in.
Any thoughts or experiences would be gratefully accepted, as I feel I am continually going round in circles. Thanks.

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thankgoditsover · 08/06/2015 11:35

I also think that although ten minutes' drive and a v short walk don't sound like very different propositions, in reality they are. A ten minutes' drive will never be just that - you'll always have to allow for extra traffic or parking problems. It also means that your child won't be able to go to school independently as my eldest did from y4.

It's an emotional thing, too, the difference between walking and driving. I can't tell you how much better my life has been for the fact of rarely getting into a car.

fiercebadrabbit · 08/06/2015 13:02

I would say state, for all reasons mentioned.

Sorry that someone's friend's child in a state school didn't pass 7+, but my child did from a state school, so it can be done. Without external tutors either. So it absolutely can be done and I know loads of people with kids at state primaries who breezed into "top" private schools at 11+ time, so that can be done too, if necessary. I

Mopmay · 08/06/2015 20:17

I agree that loads of state DC get into top selective schools... Prep is often not necessary. Quality of life is hugely better without the car school run - it's way more stressful

Westlondonmum1 · 08/06/2015 22:40

Go for Outstanding state primary definitely and go private if you can at 11+. My DC did just that and got into a top selective private secondary. The tutoring was fine - 1 hour per week from Y5. Not stressful and more a top up than anything else. We certainly couldn't have afforded fees from age 4 and there was no need to.

Eastpoint · 09/06/2015 09:21

I think that state might even be an advantage at 11+ as the schools like to show their outreach programs are successful. 10 minutes drive is a different parking zone unless you are in Kensington & Chelsea which means playing at the local park spontaneously tends not to happen.

MrsUltracrepidarian · 09/06/2015 09:33

mix socially with a group of parents you already know and like.
This is not a good reasons for choosing a school! Is akin to my Y9 kids who choose their GCSEs based on teachers they know and like and then get completely different teachers for GCSE...

My DC (who sound like your description of your DS) were at an outstanding London primary - one moved to prep in Y6, the other in Y7 - and the difference was astonishing. They flourished so well, we regretted not having sent them sooner. The younger one endured Y6, at the OS primary, bored stiff by the endless pointless SATS training. ( Yes, training, not education). As the elder one had been in the prep for that year, we could directly compare their experiences Sad. Incidentally the only reason the DS2 did not also move for Y6 was that the primary put pressure on the indie prep and would not give references for DC to leave before Y7 as it impacted on the schools stats - never mind about what is best for the child Sad)
I teach in a state secondary which is also outstanding, but no where near as good as the indie. And I am talking about the experience rather than the outcome. Yes, you DC might well go through primary and 'get into' a good secondary, but in our view it is not about the destination, but the journey. If you have the money - definitely go for the indie.

Faz2015 · 09/06/2015 09:39

I would say state... All schools will have a few children with issues... Use the extra money for extra curricular activities and tutoring if needed... You can always consider grammar or private for secondary.. Good luck x

IsItStupid · 09/06/2015 10:32

OP said final decision by this coming monday (on Friday) so surely must have made the decision by now?

Rabbitsnap I wish you all the best, you can't have chosen wrong- both choices looked very good (on paper at least).

If you feel comfortable sharing, I would love to know what decision you came to in the end. Smile

Rabbitsnap · 09/06/2015 11:45

Thank you so much to everyone who gave an opinion or anecdote. It was really helpful when thrashing it through one last time. After speaking to a couple of friends with children at the state primary, we have finally turned down our place there. Ultimately, there was no perfect solution, but the educational advantages provided at the private school seemed too great to not go for it. I just hope we can keep him fairly grounded and modest. Thanks again for all your help.

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SunnyBaudelaire · 09/06/2015 11:47

honestly in your position and knowing what I do about state primaries, I would choose state. the early education is excellent.

MrsUltracrepidarian · 09/06/2015 12:28

Rabbitsnap - good decision - well done.

Westlondonmum1 · 09/06/2015 14:21

Mrs Ultra - I think you are perhaps dangerously generalising based on your experience. My DC has had a wonderful experience and an excellent education at an outstanding primary. We certainly don't feel he 'got in' to a private secondary of choice after an inferior education, rather he has had an excellent foundation and is well set up now for a fantastic secondary school. His 'journey' has been wonderful so I don't think your experience is necessarily indicative of what others will experience. It really does depend on the school and the child.

thankgoditsover · 09/06/2015 14:59

I too agree that the journey is as important as the destination and for that reason we went state… a truly local school, with exciting teachers and friends on your doorstep - you can't beat that. I feel my children have been really privileged (so much so that I'm not sure why I'm bouncing the eldest off to the v selective private secondary that he had no trouble getting into. Maybe because thankfully in secondary I'll have nothing to do with getting him there. The literal journey in this case).

Oh and it's not an ofsted outstanding school.

CruCru · 09/06/2015 16:51

This was an interesting thread.

I am in a similar position to the OP (but not as far along) and I think what is stressful is that there is no obvious "right" decision. Both state and private will have pros and cons and choosing either will shut off some doors.

MrsUltracrepidarian · 09/06/2015 17:19

Everyone's experience is unique to them.
The only reason I included mine is because I had a direct comparison of 2 DC in Y6, 2 years apart, and felt sad for my bored DS2 (and his bored friends) when I had seen how much more fun and learning DS1 had without the SATS imperative. if I hadn't been able to directly compare, then of course I wouldn't have known any better an would have assumed it was ok.

QuinoaLenghi · 09/06/2015 18:39

We will all justify our choices as best we can. The fact is there is no right or wrong answer which is actually a very good thing.

Children with engaged parents do well at school. That is the biggest predictor of exam results: not what kind of school you go to, not who your teachers are but who your parents are. Academic studies show school choice makes the difference of only a couple of percentage points.

fiercebadrabbit · 09/06/2015 19:58

Yes, but school isn't just about exam results, as MrsUltra was pointing out. I thought that the OP should have gone for state, given the journey time plus the fact she liked the social vibe at the state school, but there's no doubt my dcs are having a better "journey" at the private school than they would have at the very lovely state school they used to attend, they're more stimulated and pushed and exposed to far more experiences and ideas. So the fact they'd get the same GCSEs in either setting is pretty irrelevant to me.

Others clearly feel their dcs have had a better journey in the other system, so ... once more, it's a very personal thing and hard for strangers on tinternet to arbitrate. Good luck, OP.

IsItStupid · 09/06/2015 20:33

I hope your choice works out! It sounds like a wonderful school that you've chosen. All the best for you and your DS.

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