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Is it yr 2 Sats?

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FiveGoMadInDorset · 01/06/2015 20:32

We haven't had any notification school but DS is in tears and very stressed tonight about all the reports and writing he has to do over the next two weeks. I am going to phone school tomorrow, in the mean time what can I say to a child who doesn't want to go to school tomorrow?

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mrz · 03/06/2015 21:40

The "rules" say that they can be taught how to write non chronological reports /character descriptions but must be more than a week before the test and they cannot write on the subject of the test.

SockPinchingMonster · 03/06/2015 21:49

I thought it should be independent mrz - I asked them both seperately if they had to do it quietly or if they could ask for help - both insisted they could ask for help but I suppose I have to take the word of 2 7 year olds with a pinch of salt.

It will have been more than a week if they have to do it again (as we have 2 weeks hol) but sounds like the same topic with Nectarines mentioning the non-chronological report being about night time Class is in a bit of a mess at the moment with absent teacher, some children with severe behavioural problems and a mixture of different supply teachers so who knows what's going on.

Nectarines · 03/06/2015 21:50

I reach my judgements using each child's range of class work, writing assessments and cross curricular writing. A good knowledge of my pupils plays a very significant part.

The tasks are really just additional evidence. When moderated last year, half of the selected pupils' levels did not match that signalled by the tasks. Agreed by LA. Now I am a KS1 and 2 moderator and find that this is commonplace. So to be honest I find the tasks a bit of a waste of time!

mrz · 03/06/2015 21:53

Perhaps things will be clearer next year or will moderators continue to ignore the statutory requirements for administering the tests

Nectarines · 03/06/2015 22:16

Hmm. Did I say I ignored the requirements? No. Merely a suggestion that the op's child's school were approaching them in this way as a result of what they'd said to her.

Next year, who knows?

mrz · 04/06/2015 05:37

Did I say you did?

MrsKCastle · 04/06/2015 14:09

What are the rules about teaching content for the task? My DD hasn't been doing non-chronological reports, but she has been learning a lot about nocturnal animals this week, including lots of impressive technical vocabulary. Is that allowed?

mrz · 04/06/2015 17:22

The information can be covered but not in the context of a non chronological report - many schools would have children doing some basic research around the subject. I heard of one school that sent home a glossary as spelling homework in preparation

Tigsley2 · 04/06/2015 20:23

of course you 'practice' for the SATs.. like all tests - 'experiencing the tasks' makes you go in less blind.. but I don't think they would do exactly the same ...

they don't have to be stressful - but they are mentioned.. and children know - (we had a massive letter from DD's school telling us not to mention them.. DD came home and knew exactly what they were, how they were taken ect ect)

DD's sats are being completed this week - and some will be done next week..

Hope your LO feels better soon

mrz · 04/06/2015 20:34

You can familiarise children with the format if the tests without needing to "practise" ... Walking the class through an old paper question by question so they know what to expect is good practice ... Stretching the rules until they snap isn't.
I wonder what some schools will do next year when the tests will be blind!

Tigsley2 · 04/06/2015 20:54

They will cheat.. just like some schools do now.

I have seen staff point to the answers, cough at the correct answer.. and been in a room whilst the lowest group had a reading sat read to them - with 'emphasis' on key words.. whilst higher groups could hear. .

I don't agree with the tests, and I have seen a lot of bad teaching.. practicing tests does happen in lots of schools..

at the end of the day test are not good for kids .. when they are small.

Hulababy · 04/06/2015 20:55

Our KS1 SATs are happening currently - writing (short = riddle; long = story) and spelling were done before the holidays. Maths has been this week. Reading next week.

They've been spread out and they are not taking up that much class time. Lots of normal lessons happening along side thm, plus some enrichment activities taking place too.

The children know they're having some special booklet work but we don't say tests or assessments. Parents knew they were coming up but not exact dates/times/order.

mrz · 04/06/2015 21:19

Our Y2 teacher did them all in 2 mornings ...my LEA wants the data by next Friday

Hulababy · 04/06/2015 22:07

We tend to spread them out a bit and as we need a number of readers for maths it helps with organising the additional staffing between the three y2 classes. Guess schools have to find what works best for them in terms of timing.

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