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School run from Stoke newington to Hampstead etc

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marmite1980 · 26/05/2015 20:41

Anyone have any experience of this, eg n16 to cavendish in Camden or a Hampstead pre-prep? Is it chaos on the overground/or nightmare car journey and unfair to submit someone of that age to, or is it bearable/worth it?!

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Crouchendmumoftwo · 26/05/2015 21:06

If you can get your children into a local school they can walk there and meet friends along the way, go to their houses afterwards. Pop home when sick quickly.

I think it's really unfair for a child to be stuck in a car every day in traffic if it can be helped. Perhaps you should think of moving?

marmite1980 · 26/05/2015 21:52

Thanks, yes that's what I'm trying to weigh up, move to SE London and be within closer proximity to a range of schools or stay where we are and love, and try to make the commute work.

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horsemadmom · 26/05/2015 22:05

Have a look at North Bridge House. They have a bus service to Islington which might help.

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thankgoditsover · 27/05/2015 08:59

I wouldn't cross the road to go to the Cavendish - all the children I know who've gone there haven't really got their money's worth if academic outcomes matter to you.

As someone very pithy put on a thread recently, there are private schools worth travelling to and state schools worth avoiding. If neither of these are the case, no journey is worth it.

404NotFound · 27/05/2015 11:09

I"ve just looked at Cavendish's 2014 leavers' destinations (2015 not up yet, but doubt it's too different) and tbh they're all schools you'd expect a bright child from a decent primary school to get into without undue exertion, and about 1/3 are state secondary schools anyway, including Stoke Newington, ironically.

So yes, on that basis thankgod would seem to have a point.

There are very good primary schools in N16, so if what you want is a good-quality mainstream primary education then you might as well save your money and stay local. If you want the full-on academic max experience, then neither Cavendish nor NBH is going to tick those boxes anyway.

thankgoditsover · 27/05/2015 11:19

Yes 404, you've put it perfectly. All the Cavendish/NBH parents say to me, well it's a nice school, non-selective, not academically pushy so you need a bit of tutoring on the side to do 11+ and think, well, that describes my kids' primary, except ours is on the doorstep, free, and incredibly vibrant and innovative in its teaching approaches (it kind of has to be as it's very very mixed).

404NotFound · 27/05/2015 14:23

Yy, agree, I don't see where the added value is with those schools, and if you add in the journey it makes even less sense.

N16 to Camden is a PITA but doable if you don't mind bus + tube. N16 to Hampstead in the rush hour will be a fecking nightmare. Try it on a school day during school run times (make sure you include Fitzjohn's Avenue for the full experience) and see how long it takes you to lose the will to live. Then picture yourself doing that return journey twice a day, every school day for the next seven years.

That should help clarify things.

horsemadmom · 27/05/2015 16:05

We didn't need any extra tutoring for DD at NBH. I don't know anyone who did any either. It's a well oiled machine. Leavers destinations are still very good even with a mixed ability (well, very middle class version of mixed ability) cohort. NLCS, SPGS, HB, SHHS, Channing, FH etc.

electionfatigue · 27/05/2015 20:29

That's a hideous commute. Don't do it.

ljny · 27/05/2015 21:11

Op, I know there are 'black holes' in N16. Do you live in one of those, or are you likely to get a place in a decent local primary?

marmite1980 · 27/05/2015 23:18

Thanks all. Yes we live in one of the black holes, obviously! So while cavendish might not be the best it's a vast improvement on the local option.

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Moominmammacat · 28/05/2015 07:08

You would be mad to do it. Poor little child. Please don't.

404NotFound · 28/05/2015 08:35

All the primary schools in N16 are rated at least as 'good'. The intake might not be particularly m/c, but I"d need a lot of persuading that any of those schools are so rubbish that it would be worth commuting to Camden let alone Hampstead twice a day for seven years to avoid them.

And if you're hell-bent on one of the more fashionable schools, then places always open up after the initial rush is over.

thankgoditsover · 28/05/2015 08:49

My kids go to a requires improvement school. Eldest has just got into the sort of schools that the Cavendish and nbh would be boasting about (well not the boys schools at the former).

He was tutored for an hour a week from end of y4, admittedly. But, approx 50 hours tutoring v, what, 2,000 hours of travel...

beeashby · 28/05/2015 10:01

What they all said. That's a hideous commute and you'd have no local friends either. People leave London in droves (especially now their houses are worth so much) between YR-2, so you have a fair chance of getting a place at a school you prefer eventually. Hackney has, afaik, always offered places to all kids - just not always at the top choice schools - so it's important to be realistic and also open minded.

404NotFound · 28/05/2015 10:48

This is starting to sound like a state-school apologists' brainwashing drive. Grin

To counteract that impression, I would just say that I do feel for the OP. There is a definite tendency among certain groups of parents to portray certain fashionable schools as the only acceptable alternatives to private schools, and all non-fashionable schools as holding pens for feral illiterates with over-stretched teachers spending all their time acting as social workers. It's easy to feel that if you don't get it right, tehn your child will drop off the education conveyor-belt before it's even got started.

My dc are older now, only one is still in primary, one in KS3, one in sixth form and the oldest at university. All have beeen at state schools in areas reasonably close to N16, so I'm pretty versed in the politics of north London schools neurosis.

With the benefit of hindsight, I can say that 80% of the time spent fretting about dc's education was not time well spent. With each subsequent dc I have worried less, and it has not made any difference to the outcome. My oldest were in a primary school that did actually leave the brightest dc to coast, but three of that child's class are now at Oxbridge, so it didn't do any lasting damage. My younger are/have been at a primary with an outstanding rating but which is often not fully subscribed after the intial entry stage, because it's not considered one of the fashionable options (ie has a lot of dc off the north London estates and scores highly on all the indicators of deprivation). They have had teachers so good that I would have gladly paid to have them teach my child, and the outcomes for the more able dc are at least as good as the alternative schools with the micro-catchments of £1m+ houses.

My oldest dc went from the slack primary school to a super-selective (yes, with a little tutoring). She has done well, but tbh she was always going to be the child that did well, so I'm not convinced it has made any difference. For the other dc we hae gone the comprehensive route, and not ones that are insanely sought-after (roughly equivalent to Stoke Newington School and Highbury Grove, for local comparison). Their results are on a par with their primary-school classmates who went to more selective and private schools.

So I would say to the OP: mine down into the data for the schools you would likely be offered. The DFE website shows you the breakdown of higher, middle and lower-ability dc, and shows you the outcomes for each part of the cohort. It's quite eye-opening to see how some ridiculously sought-after schools are actually doing no better for each band of pupils than ones that are not on the m/c radar, and some are doing worse. Then go and visit, chat to the head, chat to the Y6 dc who show you round, talk to the teachers about what they find challenging and what they find rewarding about the school, and see if you like the vibe.

Obviously there are always parents who are committed to the high-intensity, high-status private school route, in which case fair enough (though I'm still not convinced the end result is that much different from what the same dc would have achieved in a more relaxed system). But the OP sounds as if she's panicking a bit, which is almost certainly not necessary and not the basis for a good decision. And if you really decide that you're not happy with the school you've been offered, then places do come up all the time in both state and private shcools, so the door has by no means shut if you don't get it right at age 4.

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smee · 28/05/2015 15:46

Hard to find a black hole in N16 I'd have thought. Are you sure the local primaries aren't up to scratch?

marmite1980 · 28/05/2015 18:02

Thanks for the contributions. I have no idea what's considered fashionable and what isn't, and don't care either way. Perfectly happy to consider state as well, for primary. But ultimately I want the luxury of choice.
Definitely agreed the commute is crazy.

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