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Dyslexic but only with spelling? Possible?

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decena · 07/05/2015 10:38

Hi, my DD aged 8 had her usual teacher/ parent interview recently. I was told that they think she is dyslexic. Her reading is above her age group and my only knowledge of dyslexia relates to difficulty reading.

DD stills mixes her letters up ie she will spell "cold" as "clod". If I ask her to read it aloud, she usually notices. Single spellings are usually correct, it's when she is writing sentences that the errors crop up. She also occasionally still gets her b and d mixed up etc.

Anyone else had this? The school seems unconcerned and "she may grow out of it" and they" no longer test specifically for dyslexia".

Surely there is more that can be done or something I can do at home with her? Any advice? Thanks.

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WhoKnowsWhereTheTimeGoes · 07/05/2015 10:52

My DD (9, Yr 4) is ahead of her age for reading, way, way behind on spelling. Also reverses letters (b,d, p,q, 5). Also DD reads by memorising whole words, not using phonics to decode, which has camouflaged her difficulties, how does your DD read? Anyway, school have put her in a small group for extra support with writing/spelling three times a week. I'm not convinced it's enough so she is having tutoring as well and is now making progress in all these areas. She probably is dyslexic, I have only had basic assessment done to establish needs rather than as a formal diagnosis, but I will be keeping a dialogue open with school and her intended secondary when that time comes. I have to say I don't think DD's school took it seriously enough, they brushed off her failure in the Year 1 phonics screening, even even when she failed it again in Year 2.

wheresthebeach · 07/05/2015 11:03

We have that. DD reading age years' ahead. Spelling - nope. Did Apple and Pears with her which helped (spelling support workbooks for dyslexic kids).

School kept saying all was fine. I finally decided to get her tested in yr 6. Wish I'd done it earlier. She is dyslexic. She's memorised words (final straw for me was doing verbal reasoning with her and she couldn't figure out what orang might be - once it was orange she could read it).

Diagnosis has done her confidence the world of good. She's actually come on leaps and bounds since being told there was a reason some things were harder for her. Not an excuse mind...but a reason why she would simply have to work harder at some stuff. Interestingly enough her class mates have been great. Telling her how well she's doing with her spelling now rather than comments about her marks. They seem to get what being dyslexic means and are encouraging.

Conversations with school now easier too - we know there is an issue and are working together. Rather than me being the pushy mum fussing about nothing.

DazzleU · 07/05/2015 11:09

Yes I had this- though I wasn't diagnosed with dyslexia till at University.

I had initial reading problems that developed coping strategies - by this age my reading age when tested was quiet high. My reading accuracy however even now isn't always great.

I'd point you in the direction of the sound foundation people - though their website seems to be down - it's www.prometheantrust.org/soundfoundationsbooks.htm%20

you can buy the book at amazon as well - but you'd need to look at the placement tests from their site to know where to start.

Its the dancing bears for reading - if you felt that was necessary you could probably start with the fast track AB book and apple and pears for spelling.

You could also look at spelfabet which does reading and writing at same time - youngest DC liked this one more.

There are other systems out there Toe By Toe I think if for reading and Word Wasp for spelling are ones I've seen mentioned on here.

My DC school is very variable in support or even in admitting there are problems that won't self correct - they don't want to se dyslexia label - which is fine as it's such a broad condition I'd rather they focus on my DC actual problems - but have found my DC are coping to well to get help or the interventions used aren't appropriate - or when they are not frequent enough.

DazzleU · 07/05/2015 11:11

We are still debating merits of getting a formal diagnoses - even for eldest DC. Speaking to other parents it seems to make little difference at their current school - but we are seeing huge progress with things we are doing at home.

WhoKnowsWhereTheTimeGoes · 07/05/2015 11:22

I'm mulling over getting a formal diagnosis too, school have been clear that they are giving the same support that they would do anyway, so no benefit there but it might help DD's confidence. I think we might do it this time next year when we are choosing her secondary school so I will have the full facts ready to see what support they can offer. My friend's DD is in Yr 8 at our catchment secondary with dyslexia and has had great support there.

decena · 07/05/2015 12:58

Thanks for your responses so far.

She has no problem reading- has been reading full chapter books for more than a year. Her favourites are all the Roald Dahl books which have lots of more complex words and rather old fashioned wording and she whizzes through them. She doesn't seem to have a problem decoding words by sounding them out or by identifying them.

She has had speech therapy for years as she physically finds some sounds difficult to say although now aged 8, she only struggles with R. She had an assessment to see if her speech difficulties were causing the spelling problems and nothing was identified. Her hearing is fine.

She did all the phonics work when younger and no problems. I can't understand how her reading is ahead but spelling behind - they usually go hand in hand!

I will see what the school says. Thanks again.

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DazzleU · 07/05/2015 15:08

I can't understand how her reading is ahead but spelling behind - they usually go hand in hand!^

I didn't think it was unusual to find they don't.

This might be worth a read:

www.dyslexics.org.uk/spelling.htm

You might also want to see how misspelling in school are dealt with - it's hard as I do understand they don't want to discourage writers but it has meant many of my DC spelling mistakes go unmarked and uncorrected - so they've spent a lot of time writing wrong words - and this persists and becomes automatic for them.

maizieD · 07/05/2015 16:14

DD stills mixes her letters up ie she will spell "cold" as "clod".

This would tell me that she isn't breaking words into their individual sounds as she spells but is trying to remember the letter 'string' which makes up the word. If you encourage her to break words into their component 'sounds' and spell each sound in the order in which it comes in the word, then, sound out the word to check she has it right, she may find it easier. I do think that mistakes often arise because the child has never been shown the logic behind spelling. Even schools which seem to teach good phonics for reading don't always seem to apply the same approach to spelling.

Programmes like Apples & Pears are a great help.

This is part of a post I wrote on another forum. I don't know if it helps:

I am always slightly surprised that poor spelling is regarded as a key indicator of dyslexia and that children may even be categorised as 'dyslexic' on the basis of poor spelling alone (as in, how many times have you heard parents say that their child is dyslexic; they can read fine but their spelling is poor?). I know that spelling is constantly characterised as the reverse of reading and indeed it is, insofar as reading requires the conversion of symbol to sound whereas spelling requires the conversion of sound to symbol. But I think this is a very simplistic view when it comes to English spelling. I think that poor spelling in English is less an indication of a cognitive deficit (or 'difference') and more a fairly normal condition for a very large proportion of English speakers!

We know that learning to read English is more complex than many other languages but one of the key differences between learning to read and learning to spell is that in reading we always have a visual clue in front of us. Once we have mastered to automaticity the 1) conversion of symbols to all the sounds those symbol might represent, 2) the art of trying each known sound/symbol correspondence if the word is unfamiliar and how to find the correct pronunciation if need be 3) the embedding of the word, through practice, in long term memory for reading 'at sight' and 4) the association of meaning with the word, the job is done. And there are only some 168 -180 common correspondences to learn, plus some more rare ones which we learn over time and with reading experience. But probably not more than about 400 bits of information to learn?

Whereas spelling involves deciding which alternative sound spelling is to be used in specific words without any visual cue (unless the speller is one of these people who claim they can 'see' words as they spell). There are some 300 homphones alone in English which have to mastered in addition to the 100s (if not 1,000s) of words which need a decision on just which sound spelling has to be used in them. So, a far greater cognitive task than just saying a sound in response to a symbol when reading. Added to this is the complication of kinaesthetic memory. Every word has a unique 'feel' to it when it is written (whether by hand or typed). Skilled spellers don't consciously think about the individual letters in each word they write; if it is a familiar word to them they just 'think' the word and the hand & brain respond with the spelling. So a child who has habitually spelled a word wrongly for a number of years is going to find it hard to break the kinaesthic memory, especially when thinking about other things, such as the ideas they are trying to express in writing. 'Reprogramming' the hand & brain takes time and a great deal of practice (our 1950s teachers were absolutely right to make us write out corrected spellings at least ten times!)

I can also never understand why phonetic spelling is regarded as 'deviant'. That's how our literate forebears did it for 100s of years until it was decided that spelling had to be 'correct' to be acceptable.

mrz · 07/05/2015 18:37

Good readers aren't always good spellers. How does the school teach spelling?

proudmama2772 · 09/05/2015 21:07

there is something called auditory dyslexia - that relates mainly spelling.

My ds at age 8 had a diagnosis from an educational specialist. It costs about 250

pounds which is significantly cheaper than some university diagnostic testing because it didn't include the psychological/emotional difficulty diagnostics. We changed lower schools and the new school recommended the testing as -even though I suspected there was an issue- I never wanted to appear "pushy" or unable to accept that my kid may just not be very bright. I was soooo wrong. Her first school simply put her on the bottom tables for everything. Her new school said, she is bright and has a great vocabulary and immediately bumped up her numeracy levels. They felt her attainment was higher than her previous school in numeracy and recognized what her issue was. Her old school stopped me one morning and lectured me on the importance of reading at home - I had read a whole chapter serious with her at that point! Her new school is getting special funding for her to have 1-on-1 support - don't know how as she doesn't have an EHP plan. Her old school spent her 10 minute parent meeting complaining that her child minder didn't always make her wear her mittens to school and forgot her wellies on snow day - issues we had already dealt with. Her new school has been a wonderful change. It's extreme to have to change schools - but if you can afford it getting an external assessment can really make the teachers listen. It is unprofessional for them to ignore it and sometimes the educational specialists will come into the school and advocate your child and give advice on how best to support the difficulty. I think my older ds - now 14 - had a similar difficulty. Her reading was fine it was just her spelling. I wish with her I had been more pushy but she is doing great now - spelling issues have disappeared. She did spend a long time believing she was simply not very smart and quite surprised when she nearly got a B on a mock GCSE in year 9.

The school is probably right that she will grow out of her spelling difficulties - but that is a cop out. If you can afford it, it can only help to get her tested. My 8 year old came out strongly as dyslexic and I was flabbergasted. She also scored 87% in the cognitive abilities test - it was nice to have positive with a 'negative' result - it increased her confidence to understand why she was behind a little.

BlackbirdOnTheWire · 09/05/2015 21:14

I'm a lecturer in English Lit. You'd be amazed at the number of dyslexic students I get every year whose dyslexia has gone unnoticed/been diagnosed as 'crap spelling'. Funnily enough these students stand out by a mile to me, amongst other Eng Lit students - spelling may be 'crap' but it's predictably bad and falls into patterns. Truly poor spellers are totally random with their mistakes. It's probably more obvious in HE though because everything has to be word processed, so there's an inbuilt spellcheck; it's the autocorrect that gives the game away. The students' reading, comprehension, analysis, etc, skills are otherwise fantastic.

Not sure that this helps you very much, but I think it's worth investigation, though I agree that at this stage it could just be teaching/development.

maizieD · 09/05/2015 21:23
  1. What, exactly, is 'auditory dyslexia' and how does it affect spelling?

  2. I'd be interested to know more about these 'patterns' of dyslexic spelling.

mrz · 10/05/2015 06:46

Personally I think word processing can mask problems because of autocorrect and spell check.

maizieD · 10/05/2015 10:28

Isn't that precisely why it is recommended, mrz? As a substitute for some decent teaching?

Personally I think that you've got to know how to spell before you can effectively use autocorrect & spell check. I've seen pupils churn out absolute garbage because they haven't a clue as to whether or not they are being given the correct word.

mrz · 10/05/2015 10:32

It's certainly an easy option for teachers maizieD and possibly why so many students are diagnosed when they start university (free laptop - not that I'm cynical)

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