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Ds (5) year 1 hopeless at writing.

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Notmymuse · 27/03/2015 16:03

Ds is a young year 1, he is also left handed with very poor eyesight which is still not great even with glasses.

He's ok at reading - I think - ort stage 7 so about average and his understanding of numbers and shape is good but his actual written work is horrific. Even in numeracy. It's so poor. He has spellings every week and learns them no problem, in isolation he can write legible individual words (although they are still not neat) but when he has to write sentences it's awful. The spellings are quite tricky but he gets them after only looking at them once or twice, he has a good vocab so I can't inderstand why the writing is abysmal. He regularly sounds out the words and writes the wrong letter as he's saying it, even though he knows all the letters and has since he was three. He doesn't seem to be able to keep all the balls in the air at the same time - think of what he wants to write, spell it, write it. The handwriting gets worse and he will miss words out. Numeracy wise a lot of numbers are back to front although he's no longer inversing them so that 27 becomes 72.

Drawing is terrible, colouring is terrible and he very rarely does either. I'd say more nursery standard. Again he can't seem to transfer whats in his mind onto paper. If I suggest we draw he says he can't think what to draw and if I suggest something - such as an animal - he'll say he can't think how to do it or picture it properly. He can't draw basic things and actually apart from drawing very basic people (which I taught him to do step by step) I don't think he's ever drawn anything at all. He's never drawn a car, a house etc like most children. Not once.
He's always struggled at things like getting dressed as well, he can't seem to process how to do it although he has got better. It took months of training for him even to be able to put his coat on.

I don't know whether it's a processing issue or if he's just not very bright. He's good at things like football and throwing and catching so would something like dyspraxia still be possible?

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GCCPrimary1 · 27/03/2015 18:34

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Notmymuse · 27/03/2015 18:57

No he's hopeless with scissors. He can't follow basic visual instructions such as simple block structures or very basic lego and he's never been able to do jigsaws. He still can't do 12 piece jigsaws now.

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Notmymuse · 27/03/2015 19:32

Even though his reading is ok and he can learn spellings ok? He's had words like pyramid, cylinder, February, through, wednesday etc that you can't spell easily phonetically.

He tends to just go through walls of mazes. He can't keep the pencil in between the lines.

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Notmymuse · 27/03/2015 19:32

His school aren't doing anything. I think they will need a shove in the right detection.

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Notmymuse · 27/03/2015 19:36

Direction even!
If I have him privately assessed do school have to take notice of any diagnosis? I don't even know how to go about having him assessed!

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mamaduckbone · 27/03/2015 19:50

If he reads well and can learn spellings he is not dyslexic, as that is a specific learning difficulty related to word reading and spelling.

It is far more probable that he has some fine motor skills difficulties. Boys generally develop later than girls in this area - some research suggests as late as 7 for adequate development to hold a pencil well. If he is left handed and has poor eyesight this will also have an impact. You could encourage fine motor skill development with activities like threading beads, manipulating play dough, tracing shapes with his finger etc.

It absolutely doesn't mean he isn't bright, and making too big a deal out of it at this age will possibly do more harm than good.

scribblescrabble · 27/03/2015 19:55

I don't think he sounds any different to a lot of Summer born year 1 boys tbh! I think you are worrying unnecessarily.

mamaduckbone · 27/03/2015 20:07

His spellings are extremely difficult for y1 and stage 7 reading is pretty good too.

Notmymuse · 27/03/2015 20:17

I've tried fine motor practice but it hasn't made any difference.

I can't help thinking he should be able to do 12 piece jigsaws by now and simple lego structures. He can't though, he gives up after about 30 seconds.

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mamaduckbone · 27/03/2015 20:26

Is he happy? Does he enjoy school? Does he have friends and interests? They are the things I would be worrying about.

My summer born year 1 wouldn't know where to start spelling some of the words you listed... I don't plan to lose any sleep over it. They all develop at different rates.

If things don't start to improve by the time he is in year 2 perhaps approach the school. It could be that they are not doing anything because they don't see an issue just now.

Quangle · 27/03/2015 20:35

Some of this sounds v normal. My 5yo DS would not manage those spellings at all. He also rarely draws or does colouring. He can do jigsaws but cannot follow Lego instructions without me. I think it's fine as he's so young and school are happy. But an assessment might help you get a better picture.

Mandzi34 · 27/03/2015 20:46

This sounds a lot like my DS at that age. He is an end of August baby and started Reception in the bottom group for everything. He had help in all areas and in the beginning struggled to even hold a pencil properly. His writing wasn't great for a few years but by Year 3 it had improved massively and he was no longer behind at all.

dietcokeandwine · 27/03/2015 21:03

DS1 had some of these issues in Y1 - he could do jigsaws and Lego but his handwriting and other fine motor skills generally were very poor. He was DX with aspergers during reception and as part of that assessment the OT put his motor control at below the 1st %ile.

DS had a lot of support from school (3 x occupational therapy sessions in school per week) and things did get better, a lot better. He finished Y2 at 2B (the expected level) for writing and now, coming to the end of Y6, he's predicted L5 (above expected level).

So I would say don't despair, but try and push for some additional help. Regardless of whether he ends up with a formal DX such as dyspraxia (I would agree that he's unlikely to be dyslexic from what you post) it sounds as if he would benefit hugely from some occupational therapy.

dietcokeandwine · 27/03/2015 21:04

DS1 was also a late summer baby btw and bottom groups for everything until Y2, when he started to blossom.

Notmymuse · 27/03/2015 21:17

Is it strange though that he's never attempted to draw anything?

I agree the spellings are hard - we've also had mechanical, frustration, gymnasium - and he can spell them and retain the spelling. He is in a high achieving class which doesn't help but I've had concerns really since reception. He's had his glasses for a year and I thought that might help and it has as before that he just used to put letters randomly around the page. However it's still pretty horrific.

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dietcokeandwine · 27/03/2015 21:25

I wouldn't say it would be especially strange that he's never attempted to draw anything, OP. How is he self-esteem wise? DS1 was hugely, massively aware that he was 'rubbish' (his words Sad) compared to everyone else in the class when it came to writing and drawing. Because of that he was hugely reluctant to ever even try. Could it be a similar kind of thing with your DS?

I do think from what you write that an OT assessment would be helpful.

Those spellings are almost ridiculously hard for a Y1 child! He's not in a private school by any chance is he?

Notmymuse · 27/03/2015 22:08

No he's in a high performing state school. Most children in his class I would say are well above average.

Ds has never drawn right from when he was tiny so I don't think it's a self esteem thing.
I will speak to the school about having some sort of further assessment as my gut feeling is that there is something not quite right.

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kelda · 27/03/2015 22:15

This is why many countries don't start formal education until age 6 or 7.

Age five is still very young, and the children I know with diagnoses of dyslexia or DCD (developmental co-ordination disorder - the term used for dyspraxia) didn't get them until much later even though therapy started earlier.

You do need to speak to his teacher and get advice.

mrz · 28/03/2015 07:23

Upright working surfaces promote fine motor skills. Examples of these are: vertical
chalkboards; easels for painting; flannel boards; lite bright; magnet boards (or
fridge); windows and mirrors; white boards, etc. Children can also make sticker
pictures; do rubber ink-stamping; use reuseable stickers to make pictures; complete
puzzles with thick knobs; use magna-doodle and etch-a-sketch as well. The benefits
for these include: having the child's wrist positioned to develop good thumb
movements; they help develop good fine motor muscles; the child is using the arm
and shoulder muscles.
Fine Motor Activities
Moulding and rolling play dough into balls - using the palms of the
hands facing each other and with fingers curled slightly towards the palm.
Rolling play dough into tiny balls (peas) using only the finger tips.
Using pegs or toothpicks to make designs in play dough.
Cutting play dough with a plastic knife or with a pizza wheel by holding
the implement in a diagonal volar grasp.
Tearing newspaper into strips and then crumpling them into balls. Use
to stuff scarecrow or other art creation.
Scrunching up 1 sheet of newspaper in one hand. This is a super
strength builder.
Using a plant sprayer to spray plants, (indoors, outdoors) to spray snow
(mix food colouring with water so that the snow can be painted), or melt
"monsters". (Draw monster pictures with markers and the colours will run
when sprayed.)
Primary
Picking up objects using large tweezers such as those found in the
"Bedbugs" game. This can be adapted by picking up Cheerios, small cubes,
small marshmallows, pennies, etc., in counting games.
Shaking dice by cupping the hands together, forming an empty air space
between the palms.
Using small-sized screwdrivers like those found in an erector set.
Lacing and sewing activities such as stringing beads, Cheerios,
macaroni, etc.
Using eye droppers to "pick up" coloured water for colour mixing or
to make artistic designs on paper.
Rolling small balls out of tissue paper, then gluing the balls onto
construction paper to form pictures or designs.
Turning over cards, coins, checkers, or buttons, without bringing them to
the edge of the table.
Making pictures using stickers or self-sticking paper reinforcements.
Playing games with the "puppet fingers" -the thumb, index, and middle
fingers. At circle time have each child's puppet fingers tell about what
happened over the weekend, or use them in songs and finger plays.
Place a variety of forms (eg. blocks, felt, paper, string, yarn, cereal,
cotton) on outlines
Match shapes, colour, or pictures to a page and paste them within the
outlines
Primary
Self-Care Skills
Buttoning
Lacing
Tying
Fastening Snaps
Zipping
Carrying
Using a screwdriver
Locking and unlocking a door
Winding a clock
Opening and closing jars
Rolling out dough or other simple cooking activities
Washing plastic dishes
Primary
Sweeping the floor
Dressing
Scissor Activities
When scissors are held correctly, and when they fit a child's hand well, cutting
activities will exercise the very same muscles which are needed to manipulate a pencil
in a mature tripod grasp. The correct scissor position is with the thumb and middle
finger in the handles of the scissors, the index finger on the outside of the handle to
stabilize, with fingers four and five curled into the palm.
Cutting junk mail, particularly the kind of paper used in magazine
subscription cards.
Making fringe on the edge of a piece of construction paper.
Cutting play dough or clay with scissors.
Cutting straws or shredded paper.
Cutting
Use a thick black line to guide cutting the following:
A fringe from a piece of paper
Cut off corners of a piece of paper
Cut along curved lines
Cut lines with a variety of angles
Primary
Cut figures with curves and angles
Sensory Activities
The following activities ought to be done frequently to increase postural muscle
strength and endurance. These activities also strengthen the child's awareness of
his/her hands.
Wheelbarrow walking, crab walking
Clapping games (loud/quiet, on knees together, etc.)
Catching (clapping) bubbles between hands
Pulling off pieces of thera-putty with individual fingers and thumb
Drawing in a tactile medium such as wet sand, salt, rice, or "goop".
Make "goop" by adding water to cornstarch until you have a mixture similar
in consistency to toothpaste. The "drag" of this mixture provides feedback to
the muscle and joint receptors, thus facilitating visual motor control.
Picking out small objects like pegs, beads, coins, etc., from a tray of salt,
sand, rice, or putty. Try it with eyes closed too. This helps develop sensory
awareness in the hands.

mrz · 28/03/2015 07:25

I use a Busy Finger Box in the classroom but you could easily find most things at home

  1. Pegs –
You need pegs of different sizes, clothes pegs, small bulldog clips, stationery clips etc. Get the children to use one hand only at a time. I usually get them to peg about 10 pegs of different sizes onto the sides of a gift bag. They might put them on with their left hand and take them off with their right. They can also try squeezing the pegs between the first finger and thumb (on each hand) then the middle finger and thumb and so on.
  1. Elastic bands –
Elastic gymnastics! – Start by putting 2 elastic bands (the same size) around the thumb, first and middle fingers, ask the child to open and close the fingers. Then add another 2 elastic bands and so on. The more you have on, the harder it is to move your fingers. These exercises help to develop the muscles which make the web space when writing.
  1. Beads –
Get beads of different sizes and thread. Ask the children to thread some beads onto their string. The smaller the hole obviously the harder it is to thread. Develops hand/eye coordination.
  1. Ball bearings and tweezers –
Put the ball bearings in one little box and ask the child to try and pick one ball bearing up at a time with the tweezers and place in a second small box. If this is too tricky try using Hama beads and tweezers.
  1. Floam / Playdough –
These products are great for squeezing and rolling which provides necessary sensory feedback and helps to develop hand strength. Ask the children to squeeze the dough and roll it with the palm of their hand.
  1. Doodle board –
The Doodleboard is just a way of children practising handwriting patterns or letters without having to commit them to paper. Provide some patterns and shapes to copy.
  1. Gummed Shapes –
Give the children a sheet of plain paper and ask them to make patterns or pictures with the gummed shapes. Just picking up on shape at a time, licking it and then sticking it down all help to develop hand/eye coordination and the pincer grip.
  1. Hama Beads –
Hama beads are good for pincer grip and hand/eye coordination. The children have patterned sheets to copy and peg boards to put them on.
  1. Lacing cards –
Also good for hand/eye coordination. Just give each child one card to lace.
  1. Bean bags –
    Give a child 4-5 bean bags and place a container about 3 feet infront of them. Ask the child to try and get as many beanbags in the container as possible. (Hand/eye coordination)

  2. Chalk and blackboard –
    If you can, try and wedge the blackboard between two tables and provide the child with a piece of chalk in each hand. Ask them to draw the same pattern with both hands at the same time on both sides of the board. This helps develop bilateral movement.
    Allow the children to draw patterns, shapes and letter shapes on the blackboard. The chalk gives sensory feedback and sound simultaneously.

  3. Stencils –
    Children can use the stencils to make a picture. Helps develop pencil control and special awareness among other things.

  4. Feathers –
    Ask the children to try and balance a feather on different parts of their body. This helps to develop balance and coordination.

  5. Handhugger pens –
    Hand hugger pens are the triangular shaped pens. These help the children to establish a better pencil grip.

  6. Tissue paper strips –
    Place the child’s palm (at the wrist) on the end of a strip of tissue paper. Ask them to only use their middle finger to get the paper to scrunch up under their hand.
    Repeat, but this time place the side of the child’s hand on one end of the tissue strip and ask them to only use their thumb to scrunch up the paper and bring it under their hand.
    These activities really help to develop the hand arch, web space and muscle tone of the hand.

  7. Stickers –
    Children love stickers. Just peeling them off provides an opportunity to develop fine motor skills and hand/eye coordination.

  8. Peg boards –
    These can be peg boards where the child has to place pegs in the holes, maybe copying patterns.
    They can be the boards with plastic pegs already on where they have to stretch elastic bands between them to make patterns.

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