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The Beacon - Amersham?

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Teacupcakes · 17/03/2015 19:25

Hello, We are currently trying to decide on a primary/pre-prep for our ds. The Beacon seems incredibly popular. Whilst we liked it, we don't get the wow factor about it that everyone else seems to! It seemed pleasant enough but crammed in. No playground, only astro turf. No indoor pool so the boys only swim in the summer. 1 hour a week of art. International studies sounds great in principle but 1 hour a week seems minimal and french itself not starting until yr 5. The lunch hall, whilst beautiful, is tiny and I can't imagine how they do it and remain civilised. I have visions of the boys having to eat as quickly as they can so the next sitting can begin etc. We didn't meet a single pre-prep member of staff during our two hour visit, this seems odd. The boys weren't smart but looked happy enough. I'd love it if someone could tell me if I'm missing something. We love that it sends boys to the grammar schools as well as public schools and did like it. Just not getting the wowness of it. Any opinions welcome!

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54321ABC · 24/01/2020 09:38

The climbing wall has been removed and replaced with table tennis. There's no need to be a genius or brilliant sportsman to get in at Year 3. 4th class is added in year 3 and there is still movement creating new places. Sport is not easy for those who aren't into it because it gets a lot of hours on the timetable and all levels warm up together. As with all schools there are staff who have been there 10+ years and can't see the wood for the trees in terms of what might need changing but that's not unique to the school. You do get quite a bit of "we've done xyz for years" without a logical explanation why but that's mostly from staff who have been there a long time or who are in their final stage of their career and it just takes a bit of explaining to them - you probably get that in all schools. Chesham Grammar can provide full 50/50 co-ed, Dr C has 70 odd girls in the 6th form and both are high in the league tables. If you're looking at Berko find out what time your son would have to get on a bus to get there and back before considering it. Berko don't feature in the league tables you find in the press. Maybe they don't submit their GCSE and A Level data. Merchant Taylors is very academic.

shiningmyshoes · 24/01/2020 10:59

It's def not true that you can easily get in for the start of the prep school / Y3 just because they add another class - last year not everyone got a place. More people are wanting to join from further away, who then wait for Y3 so their DS is old enough to get the school bus.... but hopefully now the school is doing car services from Gerrards X and Beaconsfield for the younger boys it'll ease the pressure on that year. But if you have your heart set on the Beacon I still say join at some point in the pre-prep and save yourself the stress. Also, for higher up places, less boys are leaving at 11 - the big boarding schools have started actively courting Beacon families (and the school is very supportive of boarding)... I spotted full page ads from Charterhouse, Teddies, Marlborough College and Bradfield in last year's Christmas fair brochure! So there are less places coming up at Y7 though I haven't heard of anyone not getting one. Best thing to do is to call the registrar who can tell you what chance you have of a place / when best to join. It's an incredible school!

MelsBells17 · 27/06/2020 14:13

I'm interested in registering my DS (who is currently 2 years old) for reception at the Beacon but am aware that it's quite a popular school. Is it selective for Reception?

Mumto2two · 27/06/2020 23:38

Had no idea it was this selective. We know a lot of boys who left their existing preps from year 3 and above, primarily because grammar was looking less likely an option.

pinkspottypyjamas · 02/10/2020 17:20

The assessment at reception age is very gentle - the boys don't even know it's happening. As long as you apply in time, send them for their assessment day and your DC has no serious behavioural / learning issues they should be fine to get a place. Going into Y7 they usually have openings too, as some boys drop out to go to state grammars, freeing up spaces. (Though more boys seem to be sitting the 11+ for ‘exam practice’, but then turning their places down in favour of staying on and applying to the big name boarding schools for Y9 entry.) Y3 is the one to watch out for, it's the hardest entry point, and that’s even with them laying an extra class on. Not everyone gets a spot. Possibly it's because it's the age all the boys are allowed to take the school buses (not just the chauffeur service which is for younger boys but only goes from Gerrards X and Beaconsfield). There are routes from about 10 miles in all directions so that’s a lot of potential new kids applying for only 18-20 places....

pinkspottypyjamas · 02/10/2020 17:27

@Mumto2two that's interesting, the boys from this year's Y7 have said the exact opposite, that all the boys who left at the end of last year to go to grammar school were ones who had recently arrived - in Y3, Y4 and even Y5. (Their message was: don't bother with the new boys, they're the ones most likely to leave!!).... it may of course vary year to year.

One thing is for sure, it's much more (academically) selective the higher up the school you go, so I'd be surprised if a boy considered likely to struggle with the 11+ would actually get in.

54321ABC · 13/10/2020 14:18

The new roof on the pool is great but with only one PE lesson a week there's no increased access to the pool now that the roof is on which is a shame. Any more time in the pool will be from bad weather disrupting games/PE lessons, clubs after school when they're back up and running again or if you're in the school squad.

shiningmyshoes · 15/10/2020 14:12

Perhaps I'm alone in this but I'm not sure I'd want my DSs doing any more PE than is already on the timetable. My younger DS (in pre-prep) does 3 sessions a week (1 team sports, 1 more indoor/gym-focussed, 1 swimming), and older DS (in the main/prep school) is doing 4 sessions a week including an entire afternoon on a Weds.

I love that it's a sporty, 'sport-for-all' school but we actually moved them because it's the most academic school in the area (and much better than where we moved them from, which was closer to home).

With the pool now being all-year, the plan before Covid got in the way was that there would be clubs for those that wanted extra pool time. Am sure that'll happen eventually - I think I even filled out a questionnaire last spring about which days of the week I might like. All pre Covid of course!

jrabean · 09/03/2022 18:26

"the truth is that no state school in Bucks is able to prioritise enough time or money for sport"

I had a good laugh at that - literally round the corner is Dr Challoners that has been rated the best state school in the country for sport and ahead of 95% of private schools! Standards are so much higher than the Beacon. Once they step outside the Beacon bubble, the boys really have to up their game! For ambitious sporty kids there is no comparison. Huge range of sports and great teams at DC.

underneaththeash · 10/03/2022 20:52

@jrabean

"the truth is that no state school in Bucks is able to prioritise enough time or money for sport"

I had a good laugh at that - literally round the corner is Dr Challoners that has been rated the best state school in the country for sport and ahead of 95% of private schools! Standards are so much higher than the Beacon. Once they step outside the Beacon bubble, the boys really have to up their game! For ambitious sporty kids there is no comparison. Huge range of sports and great teams at DC.

They have definitely improved since my son joined 5 years ago, but you can’t compare their sporting provision with an independent school. They have significantly fewer sports teachers and significantly less time devoted to sports compared to the independent sector.
DishyDad2 · 11/03/2022 08:59

@jrabean

"the truth is that no state school in Bucks is able to prioritise enough time or money for sport"

I had a good laugh at that - literally round the corner is Dr Challoners that has been rated the best state school in the country for sport and ahead of 95% of private schools! Standards are so much higher than the Beacon. Once they step outside the Beacon bubble, the boys really have to up their game! For ambitious sporty kids there is no comparison. Huge range of sports and great teams at DC.

When you say standards are much higher, I take this to mean that as Challoners is such a big school (c1,300 pupils) with relatively few teams per year the boys do have to be great sportsmen to get into the teams that are available. So yes Beacon boys and boys from any other school do have to up their game to get into a team there.

The Beacon offers "Sport for all" whereas Dr Challoners offers sports but this ends up being an elite sports person only offer. E.g. The Beacon with c55 boys in year 7 has say 4 teams playing, Challoners with c180 in year 7 has say 2 teams playing. Therefore it is harder to get games in the school team for most boys. Hence several boys who go to Challoners from a school like the Beacon either stop playing or join local clubs instead.

I am really not trying to do Challoners down, it is a good school. But it is very miss leading to say Challoners sporting provision is "...ahead of 95% of private schools!".

KNG2022 · 16/01/2023 11:46

Hi, I am choosing a school for my son to begin Reception in September 2023. I am torn between The Beacon and Berkhamsted Pre Prep. Can anyone give some helpful advise? Thank you

54321ABC · 16/01/2023 15:03

The Beacon has a new Head as of this academic year so things will change. Make plans for keeping your options open for leaving after Year 6 or Year 9, don't rely on one option and get ahead of it all. Atom is a very good online platform for the KS2 curriculum when you get to that stage. This year's YR7 at The Beacon is very small because so many left last summer to go to other schools. Think about transport to playdates after school in relation to where you live. The Beacon has boys from about a 15 mile radius. 4-7 years is a key development stage for being around girls so depends on what you want from that side of things.

jrabean · 16/01/2023 15:49

It's worth looking beyond personal opinion. There is a league table of sports for all schools which adds up their performance across all sports and Dr C beats almost all private schools. The greater competition spurs greater performance Vs the complacency of staying in the small pond.

And the lack of Beacon year 7&8 sports fixtures cannot be blamed on the failure of local state schools, as Dr C has a huge number of fixtures in Year 7&8, just not many against the Beacon, probably as the Beacon would struggle to field teams of sufficient standard because it's smaller.

Also sports like squash not even offered at the Beacon. A shame as lots of local courts available, and not all kids love rugby etc but all are forced to play. Sport for all sounds great but being more flexible to individual children would be better. Being forced to play a sport you hate for many years can be worse than being allowed to focus on a sport you love.

Replyingnow · 16/01/2023 16:32

Challoners is not “sport for all.” There tends to be a niche group of boys who dominate. They are in all the sports teams. The rest of the boys slot in where there are spaces. This is great for some. Demoralising for others. A huge percentage of boys never have the opportunity to play for the school.

Much of the elite coaching is done outside of school. In my son’s year there are some exceptional runners, swimmers and footballers. Their talents have been and continue to be nurtured at clubs. The school rather taking the glory and getting its reputation this way.

I would say that the sport at DC is on a par with most other state secondary schools. It’s by no means on a level with Berkhamstead or Merchant Tailors. Most of the sports facility’s are also pretty tired.

DishyDad2 · 17/01/2023 14:18

KNG2022 · 16/01/2023 11:46

Hi, I am choosing a school for my son to begin Reception in September 2023. I am torn between The Beacon and Berkhamsted Pre Prep. Can anyone give some helpful advise? Thank you

I had kids at both of these schools (they finished at each of these a few years ago). They are both good schools but in my opinion the Beacon is a better option. It has a wonderful all round vibe to it and the focus that getting kids into many different senior schools gives means that it is never complacent and keeps going till the end of year 8. At Berkhamsted Prep the offer is also good but we did find year 6 rather disappointing as by the end of December in year 6 Berkhamsted senior school offers were unconditional and it felt like they really took their foot off the gas with the kids. Also as the Beacon is not affiliated to a particular senior school they do advise you which schools would suit your son best, at the Berkhamsted Prep they don't do this, progression to Berkhamsted Senior School is the only option promoted.

The main reason to favour Berkhamsted Prep is that it has priority entry into Berkhamsted Senior School and this does make it easier for your DS to get into the senior school. It is also co-ed which you may prefer.

Please note both schools are selective so you might want to apply to both and see if your DS gets two offers first. This might make the choice for you I'm afraid. You might also want to look at Chesham Prep (also good). Good luck.

KNG2022 · 17/01/2023 14:44

Hello, thank you so much for your message. It has been very helpful. Fortunately, my son has been offered a place at The Beacon and when we visited it, we were very impressed.

However, I feel I need to look at other nearby independent schools to ensure I make the correct choice for him.

How nuturing and caring is the Beacon School? Which in your opinion is more nuturing?

Which school do you feel is more academic?

Do you mind if I ask, did your children continue onto Berkhamsted after they finished at the end of Y7/Y8 at Beacon?

My son has been assessed at Berkhamsted and we are just waiting for their decision of an offer or not.

54321ABC · 17/01/2023 19:16

The Beacon's deputy head pastoral is leaving this summer after a long length of service so things will change. Check out planning permission online as I think The Beacon is looking to build some boarding houses.

Gateway in Great Missenden is co-ed and always gets listed in The Times league tables for prep schools.

York House and Chesham Prep are other co-eds.

Other boys only are Davenies and Merchant Taylors prep for comparison.

Look at the destination schools on The Beacon website and you will see where they went but you won't be able to decipher who went in year 7 or 9 for some schools e.g Berko.

A lot of Beacon boys left last summer for grammars. Over half of year 6 left last summer out of about 70 boys.

Make sure any school you chooses has Toot toot set up. It's an anonymous reporting tool for the kids.

DishyDad2 · 19/01/2023 20:14

KNG2022 · 17/01/2023 14:44

Hello, thank you so much for your message. It has been very helpful. Fortunately, my son has been offered a place at The Beacon and when we visited it, we were very impressed.

However, I feel I need to look at other nearby independent schools to ensure I make the correct choice for him.

How nuturing and caring is the Beacon School? Which in your opinion is more nuturing?

Which school do you feel is more academic?

Do you mind if I ask, did your children continue onto Berkhamsted after they finished at the end of Y7/Y8 at Beacon?

My son has been assessed at Berkhamsted and we are just waiting for their decision of an offer or not.

To answer your questions they are roughly the same standard academically and also from a caring/nurturing perspective. The difference is that the Beacon really does educate the whole child and has a wonderful, friendly and helpful vibe.

My son went to a boarding school when he left at the end of year 8 but 30-40% of each year 8 do go to Berkhamsted, it is the largest destination school for year 8 leavers at the Beacon.

DishyDad2 · 19/01/2023 20:23

54321ABC · 17/01/2023 19:16

The Beacon's deputy head pastoral is leaving this summer after a long length of service so things will change. Check out planning permission online as I think The Beacon is looking to build some boarding houses.

Gateway in Great Missenden is co-ed and always gets listed in The Times league tables for prep schools.

York House and Chesham Prep are other co-eds.

Other boys only are Davenies and Merchant Taylors prep for comparison.

Look at the destination schools on The Beacon website and you will see where they went but you won't be able to decipher who went in year 7 or 9 for some schools e.g Berko.

A lot of Beacon boys left last summer for grammars. Over half of year 6 left last summer out of about 70 boys.

Make sure any school you chooses has Toot toot set up. It's an anonymous reporting tool for the kids.

I can add to this one also. At the Beacon no one leaves for Berkhamsted at the end of year 6. Year 6 leavers are going almost exclusively to grammar schools in bucks, some go to other state senior school options. Others stay to the end of year 8 and go to a mix of independent boarding and day schools.

@54321ABC is right to say that some years maybe 50% of year 6 leave for grammars, it was less (about 35% of the year group) in my son's year. By the way the Beacon do also have a good number of new joiners in year 7, so they have 50-60 boys per year in years 7 and 8 normally.

54321ABC · 19/01/2023 23:02

Current Beacon Year 7 has 37 boys so academic class sizes are 6-8 boys. That's a big change because in YR6 it was up to 20 per academic lesson so a big adjustment. One of our YR6 left last summer for Berko. Some went to Davenies just for YR7 & 8. One went to Magdalen School as a day pupil. Quite a few staff went too but a change of headship can often bring change and the notice period was a year plus the existing team looking after the school for the summer term. The tricky part for the YR6 families who decide to stay on is they don't get told how many new boys are arriving for YR7 so they arrived back in Sept to a very small year group in comparison to previous years because there were hardly any new joiners. The new head will no doubt change that. They've split the page into destination day schools and boarding schools now. If you join either The Beacon or Berko and don't like it you could always switch at the YR3 point but sign the contract very early. Really important to see other schools just to compare before you make the final decision. It's a difficult decision at Reception stage.

www.beaconschool.co.uk/admissions/destination-schools/

Replyingnow · 20/01/2023 08:52

From my experiences, I think one needs to think honestly about why you are choosing a private school over a state school. There is an awful lot that money can’t buy.

I think I was quite niaive…

I’ll be brutal here first of all, because with the hindsight of three experiences. I realise that i basically chose my children’s primary education on superficial values. The worst being I realise I was a brutal snob.

This is only my take on myself, but when I came to this conclusion I was inwardly quite embarrassed. I also realised I’d not been thinking about what was best for my children. Yep. A harsh reality to live with.

This is why I made my school choices…

  • I liked the idea of telling people my children go to private school. Yes. I know. Awful.
  • I thought it could make them into people I was fairly confident I couldn’t. Yes. I know. Awful.
  • I thought they’d make “better” friends.
  • That I would make better friends
  • That I would, unconsciously, be able to ‘heal’ myself of my own perceived social, academic, sporting, musical, you name it shortcomings.

With 3 children now at Uni, grammar and non-selective secondaries, from my experiences I can share the following.

What money can’t buy:

  • Good teachers. In fact, from my experience, many teachers in private and grammar are less empathetic and adept at teaching the individual. I think many think it’s an easy route. Challoners is jam packed with teachers who don’t even seem to like children!
  • Motivation or "availability to learn" A student's availability to learn depends largely on their motivation, learn behaviours and the greatest reality - neurology.
  • Social and cultural barriers. ... Private school parents can be brutal. There will be a percentage who will decide if you have the ‘right’ characteristics and gravitas. Fortunately, I survived this but you could see it was not easy for all.
  • Emotional factors that affect learning.There are the same home life challenges at any school. Family dynamics, parents relationships, affairs, drugs, drinking, violence, etc, occur equally in the homes of private and state schools. The impact on the children is the same.
  • Personal issues that can affect learning.As above.
  • Reality. We are who we are and our best is our best. I’ve seen many private school parents see this differently. - So much judging. Accusations. Jealousy.
  • Your child will be a genius, top athlete, musician regardless of school if they have the natural propensity and YOU nurture and invest in them.
  • Most of us are average. Average is excellent when applied with emotional intelligence. All the qualifications in the world won’t keep you employed if people can’t work with you.
  • Facts. Cold hard facts. E.g. Neurodiversity. 1 in 4 children. This means 1 in 4 has a brain wiring that will limit how well a classroom learning environment suits them. Any classroom.
  • Dyscalculia, dysgraphia, dyslexia are all very real. These are called learning difficulties by schools. It doesn’t mean we can’t learn if shown differently.
  • As a sweeping generalisation, Learning difficulties are better catered for in state schools because private, like grammars, measure success on grades not outcomes.
  • What looks good for the school. Not the child. If you’re the parent of a child with LD it can be isolating. The school don’t want you and a lot of the other parents don’t. In case it “rubs off on their child.”
  • When your child is an adult, it’s outcomes that count in the workplace.

in my opinion, the umbrella reality is, unless you are from the upper x% and you can holistically afford the lifestyle and experiences that are needed to thrive at a school such as Harrow, there are few advantages to be had from Yrs R to 6 in private school. Especially in and around Amersham where all the primaries are great.

From my experience also, the money can be better invested in your children’s wellbeing outside of school. And you will have lots left over to spend on yourself!

I look at the thousands and thousands of pounds i spent and along with many of the parents I’ve got to know over 20 years of first private schooling, I can conclude that my choice drivers were probably not the best reasons for choosing private over state.

If I had my time again, I would choose state for primary education. The uniforms aren’t as sweet and the parents evenings not do well catered, but the outcomes are hard to differentiate.

Final point. If we look at Dr Challoners, for example, many of the more “challenging” boys in my son’s year group (he is one of these) were with him at The Beacon. Like my son, many of these boys will leave the school (if they make it to the end of yr11) without the grades we hoped for/ thought we were paying for in their primary years.

Lockdown didn’t help, but I think the private school experience made them feel entitled. And away from this and cast into the bigger pool, they struggle to cope with the self regulation and learning that they actually need to learn when young to be successful.

I think it would be interesting to see proper modelled analytics of the success outcome from Challoners, cut by primary school, actual school and additional coaching, training etc provisioned outside of either school.

I appreciate this isn’t what a lot of people want to read, but I hope it is good for thought.

KNG2022 · 20/01/2023 09:45

Hi, thank you for all your messages. I have been to see both schools again and I must say I am leaning more towards the Beacon, it will be closer for our commute but more importantly, it is all one campus. They have many facilities and opportunity of growth for the boys who decide to join. It is faciliated with many top public schools such as Habs Boys and Harrow.

I know many opinions above are of boys leaving in the upper years but this is inevitable, they have to leave at some stage as the Beacon is only a Prep school and it doesn’t have a sixth form. You also have to keep in mind students when student leave to attend grammar or other public schools, they must in time for the key entry points for their chosen senior/sixth form school. This doesn’t then mean Beacon is not a good school or a ‘bad’ relfection of it. They are not leaving for negative reasons but because Beacon is only a Prep school as is Gayhurst, Davenies and so on. It is merely the ‘way or life’ there.

Six students went to Harrow in 2022 from the Beacon and many do go onto Grammar after completing the 11+ which in itself isn’t an easy exam to pass. In my opinion this show me that the Beacon obviously give the students a great solid academic foundation that then enables them to be able to apply to top public senior schools and pass the 11+ to enter DC. Whichever route a student decides to go through, it seems like they have a solid foundation behind them.

Referring, back to Yr 7 having a smaller class well this simply could be because most do decide to go onto Grammar schools and Yr 7 is a entry point too, again, this isn’t a bad reflection on The Beacon itself, it just simply means student have gone onto a senior school. Small size classes are usualy a given at a public school, if classes are too large then what would the difference even be between state and public schools.

My daughters girls school have class sizes of around 12 students and its been brilliant. The attention all the girls get from their teacher is second to none - so I am one for small classes! Yes there can be some cons on the social side but you do have other year groups you can socialise with.

As for sports, yes they are important but for me personally, academics are far more important than sports and building a solid foundation for entry into a top public school later on in life.

Replyingnow · 20/01/2023 09:55
  • Academic achievement is only possible if your child is neurologically set up to be.
  • Empathy (EQ) is more important that exam grades when it comes to career success.
  • 11+ coaching outside of school is what gets passes. It’s technique snd practice. Yes, vocabulary can help.
  • if you have the money, your child will get into Harrow. If you’re applying for a scholarship then it comes down to academics plus extracurricular
  • Small class sizes have many pros and cons - socially snd academically
  • No school can compensate from behaviours learned at home.
  • No school can make your child achieve more than they naturally can.
  • At 4, we have no idea of what our children can or can’t achieve. Therefore to lead on academics could challenge the holistic wellbeing of a child through adulthood. Mental health is not a buzzword. It impacts how well and able we are to live, work, learn and earn.
54321ABC · 20/01/2023 13:13

Commute is important as are location of school friends for playdates/parties/social life so sounds like The Beacon is best for you vs. Berko.

From personal experience of The Beacon the Maths teaching was fine but definitely not the English. During lockdowns parents also saw this with their own eyes in the live lessons.

A lot of Beacon families are (through word of mouth) using www.atomlearning.com to top up the YR 4-6 curriculum to sit the tests in Year 6 for both state 11+ grammars and also private senior schools, the platform has live lessons and uses AI to tailor the tasks to your child. Families can enter any private senior school or state grammar into their Atom profile and the platform tailors work to the child for those entry tests. YR6 is a busy time for state/private entry tests and interviews. Some Beacon families send their boys to a place in Wendover on Saturdays in YR5 to prepare for the 11+ because it's a place that does a screening test before starting the tuition and has had good results. It's not all down to the school's teaching but that's the case across all of Bucks. Worth putting your name down now at Twist or an 11+ tuition place to keep your options open. It will be too late if left to when you might/might not need it.

One thing that's good about The Beacon is the ethnic diversity of the 500+ boys which is not comparable in the area's local small state infant and junior schools.

No matter which route you go down after a Prep, as you already know from having a daughter, it's worth being clued up about the 'post Everyone's Invited' world we live in and what schools are doing to address this. The state sector has drawn up new guidelines after Ofsted went into schools. A strange thing to think about at Reception stage but worth thinking about for older years when you look around those schools. The Beacon should do so much more with the local girls schools and not just the one off disco in YR6 or the odd choir tour. The new head might change all of that though as might the new Pastoral Deputy Head. I never knew why they didn't team up with girls schools for the residential trips in YRs 4 onwards. Parents will need to ask for this kind of collaboration.